Message from @Maksim
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when you feel pain you can help relate to other people in your same circumstance
That's unnecessary.
Not necessarily a good thing since you can’t connect to people
If you need a connection with one or more people, then connect through other virtues.
The point of stoicism is that you won't really need that "emotional comfort" when you get in such a situation
From a Christian standpoint, you most likely won’t get into heaven if you can’t connect to people
How are you going to enjoy life with others if you don’t understand basic sympathy
1. I never said that connection with people is entirely excluded, you can connect with them on other levels
2. that is just entirely false. This would mean psychopaths are doomed to eternal torture just by virtue of being what they are, which they didn't choose
Connection can be made through other virtues as well, not just pain. And having sympathy is normal for a Stoic, since he's been there. He can actually give advice to the person currently in pain, because he's become an expert in dealing with pain.
I never said psychopaths can’t go to heaven
You said that by virtue of being unable to "connect with people", they won't be able to get to heaven
Just that they’re less likely because they can’t understand emotions
Psychopaths fit this criteria
Well, they can "reason themselves into it"
> From a Christian standpoint, you most likely won’t get into heaven if you can’t connect to people
@moira
I suppose that psychopaths make an exception, since, as ofvo said, they didn't choose to be psychotic, and most of them can't connect to people.
Some basic principles of Christianity are love, empathy and peace
Salvation is not reached thru love empathy and peace lol
So if they're more likely to go to hell instead of heaven, because of something that they didn't choose, then God is kind of a jerk, which I refuse to accept.
How do you reach salvation then
By becoming born again
Which is thru a baptism, and repentance
But that's besides the point, I don't see how any of this is relevant to your misunderstanding of stoicism
Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.
When are they mutually exclussive?
How can a psychopath repent for sins they dont even know are wrong
And yeah that was drawn offtopic
phows a stoic going to respond to their kid if he suffers a breakup
or their pets death
Theology and Philosophy are mutually exclusive
Because it'll make it stronger.
*it*
You're confusing epistomology with emotions. They can know that what they did was wrong, without feeling an "emotional" connection with it
how is a stoic going to help him deal
What did you ask?
Kh