Message from @Ater Votum

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2020-03-09 23:01:42 UTC  

for many centuries

2020-03-09 23:02:09 UTC  

i mean of course you can say the execution was wrong

2020-03-09 23:02:41 UTC  

but if you argue like that saying that everything that is good is only what god proposes then that makes sense

2020-03-09 23:02:56 UTC  

and obviously a monarchy is the way to go

2020-03-09 23:13:01 UTC  

Yes, so my question is, if your own worldview asserts that monarchy is a superior option, and a more moral option, why don't you adhere to it?

2020-03-09 23:13:08 UTC  

The Bible doesn't really prescribe a form of government

2020-03-09 23:13:54 UTC  

Incorrect, verses incoming

2020-03-09 23:14:40 UTC  

well as it seems im not as christian as i thought i would be

2020-03-09 23:15:29 UTC  

Deuteronomy 17:14-20

2020-03-09 23:15:32 UTC  

Romans 13:1-9

2020-03-09 23:15:39 UTC  

i dont feel comfortable simply arguing with what god proposes as right and moral the be that and as such we would need a monarchy strictly built on those rules

2020-03-09 23:15:39 UTC  

1 Peter 2:17

2020-03-09 23:16:08 UTC  

@Ater Votum Well do you not believe that the bible is divine revelation?

2020-03-09 23:17:15 UTC  

one good thing about the system on a purely objective level is that it always follows the bible and if the monarch wants to deviate from it he wont be listened to replaced by someone actually following it and thus it would be a very safe system so i guess it doesn't sound bad after all

2020-03-09 23:17:40 UTC  

i dont know enough about religion to really make a decision about it

2020-03-09 23:17:54 UTC  

@Ater Votum start praying the rosary, and pray for the grace of your faith

2020-03-09 23:18:01 UTC  

it seems like you're deviating from faith, pray my friend

2020-03-09 23:18:54 UTC  

i will try to

2020-03-09 23:19:19 UTC  

Do it on the daily basis, if you truly seek the truth, god will supply you with it

2020-03-09 23:19:25 UTC  

i used to pray every evening when i was younger i dont know it somehow got lost over time

2020-03-09 23:20:05 UTC  

i should start reading the bible

2020-03-09 23:20:09 UTC  

surely

2020-03-09 23:20:59 UTC  

i started reading the bible too when i was younger too but i dont think i got very far actually i wasnt the biggest reader back then

2020-03-09 23:23:56 UTC  

@Sentient23 The Romans passage is more "Respect authority" rather than prescribing monarchy per se

2020-03-09 23:26:44 UTC  

conetxtually they were speaking of the monarch

2020-03-09 23:31:30 UTC  

So if a monarch is tyrannical or corrupt, then should Christians not rebel against said monarch?

2020-03-09 23:33:15 UTC  

@Sentient23 it is not the government's job to enforce the bibles morals

2020-03-09 23:33:24 UTC  

except in the case of public decency because that is a bit different

2020-03-09 23:55:09 UTC  

Of course not. Again if you actually read the context, that concern is answered

2020-03-09 23:55:33 UTC  

Why cherry pick where you apply Christian morality and where you not apply Christian morality? Which criteria is being used for when its okay to apply and when it isn't? And why?

2020-03-09 23:56:30 UTC  

I'm not Christian

2020-03-09 23:56:47 UTC  

and I think religion should mostly stay out of legislation

2020-03-09 23:57:00 UTC  

because if you do this then you isolate other religions

2020-03-09 23:57:00 UTC  

You said that there would be circumstances in which Christian morality would be enforced?

2020-03-09 23:57:38 UTC  

when did I say that

2020-03-09 23:59:16 UTC  

"except in the case of public decency"

2020-03-09 23:59:43 UTC  

that has nothing to do with Christian morals

2020-03-09 23:59:54 UTC  

I just think that children shouldn't see grown men naked

2020-03-10 00:00:19 UTC  

Then why say "except in such and such cases" when you previously said "the government shouldnt enforce bibles morals"

2020-03-10 00:01:07 UTC  

because that is an exception

2020-03-10 00:01:16 UTC  

and because it harms other citizens