that doesnt justify hedonism

because living hedonistic actually creates more unhappiness/suffering

But regardless I don't want to dwell into that, if totalitarianism can be used to achieve the same things which are the reason you value democracy, why not value it? Why value democracy over totalitarianism?

well again that's moral relativism. Moral relativism is again incompatible with Christianity. Yet again, are you a christian? Yes or no

i mean saying suffering/happiness doesnt matter thats like saying something good isnt good. its just an invalid statement its what all animals and humans agree upon. what makes us happy and decreases suffering is the literal definition of something good. the word good derives from exactly those emotions. if suffering/happiness doesnt matter then what does? theres no actual value in being efficient or being smart. those are all things we value because society has taught us to value them but theres no actual value to them. what is universal upon every organism that is capable of feeling though is that bad feelings are bad and good feelings are good. thats where the words of good and bad derrive from so if youre using those words to describe anything they have no meaning in your mouth. its an invalid statement to make

well i told you already im a Christian

i must have told you that a million times

No its not remotely the same? Your analogy would only be true if the "good" was constituted by majority consent. Which is false. What the majority perceive as good is not the same as what is good. If the majority of the people converted to atheism tomorrow, it wouldn't refute Christianity which you said you believe in. What the majority agrees on is irrelevant. What is good is god, and what god reveals to us what good is. If certain things which are "good" come at the expense of happiness, then yes happiness shouldn't be the basis of your world view. What is good is not derived thru emotions lol. What is good is derived thru god.

If you are a Christian, then you cannot be in favor of direct democracy since the bible advocates monarchy and strong governence, if you want me to provide verses i will. THerefore, if you genuinely seek that which is good, and you believe that the bible is divine revelation of an all good god, then you oughta reject direct democracy in favor of something like a monarchy. But regardless, I don't see where anywhere in there have you addressed my concern about being able to use totalitarianism to reach the goal which you say makes democracy "good"

brb have to shit

i know the bible wants that

i mean thats what they did here

for many centuries

i mean of course you can say the execution was wrong

but if you argue like that saying that everything that is good is only what god proposes then that makes sense

and obviously a monarchy is the way to go

Yes, so my question is, if your own worldview asserts that monarchy is a superior option, and a more moral option, why don't you adhere to it?

The Bible doesn't really prescribe a form of government

Incorrect, verses incoming

well as it seems im not as christian as i thought i would be

Deuteronomy 17:14-20

Romans 13:1-9

i dont feel comfortable simply arguing with what god proposes as right and moral the be that and as such we would need a monarchy strictly built on those rules

1 Peter 2:17

@Ater Votum Well do you not believe that the bible is divine revelation?

one good thing about the system on a purely objective level is that it always follows the bible and if the monarch wants to deviate from it he wont be listened to replaced by someone actually following it and thus it would be a very safe system so i guess it doesn't sound bad after all

i dont know enough about religion to really make a decision about it

@Ater Votum start praying the rosary, and pray for the grace of your faith

it seems like you're deviating from faith, pray my friend

i will try to

Do it on the daily basis, if you truly seek the truth, god will supply you with it

i used to pray every evening when i was younger i dont know it somehow got lost over time

i should start reading the bible

surely

i started reading the bible too when i was younger too but i dont think i got very far actually i wasnt the biggest reader back then

@Sentient23 The Romans passage is more "Respect authority" rather than prescribing monarchy per se

conetxtually they were speaking of the monarch

So if a monarch is tyrannical or corrupt, then should Christians not rebel against said monarch?

@Sentient23 it is not the government's job to enforce the bibles morals

except in the case of public decency because that is a bit different

Of course not. Again if you actually read the context, that concern is answered

Why cherry pick where you apply Christian morality and where you not apply Christian morality? Which criteria is being used for when its okay to apply and when it isn't? And why?

I'm not Christian