Message from @Oboe

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2020-03-11 01:15:34 UTC  

What is the right without Christ

2020-03-11 01:15:51 UTC  

But we don’t need to divide the Christian Right, since it’s weak enough already. As it’s best we don’t include Volkish tards.

2020-03-11 01:15:55 UTC  

And what is a Christian without the church

2020-03-11 01:16:06 UTC  

You could be right and support Christian morality without being a Christian

2020-03-11 01:16:07 UTC  

Well, the right without Christ is what it mostly is right now.

2020-03-11 01:16:23 UTC  

Faith is a blessing

2020-03-11 01:16:30 UTC  

Generally speaking it makes a god out of freemasonry.

2020-03-11 01:16:34 UTC  

Or worse Judaism, lol

2020-03-11 01:16:46 UTC  

@Oboe everything we ought to do is out of love, that's not a critique of what I say

2020-03-11 01:17:02 UTC  

All without faith is sin

2020-03-11 01:17:06 UTC  

I don’t even really care about right or left economically.

2020-03-11 01:17:08 UTC  

I think Judaism could function within the right, but actually Judaism, not the practices of the sick race cult that’s entranced the world we live in

2020-03-11 01:17:23 UTC  

So long as they are traditional, order-driven, they are on the right track.

2020-03-11 01:17:43 UTC  

Economic policy is a symptom of social politics

2020-03-11 01:17:48 UTC  

ill take a NazBol any day before some libertarian

2020-03-11 01:18:00 UTC  

Economic politics is a sin of capitalism

2020-03-11 01:19:20 UTC  

Technically, you can’t have NazBol, you can have Nationalist Socialism

2020-03-11 01:19:39 UTC  

Since Bolshevism’s root ideologies are internationalism and worker’s revolutions and anarchism.

2020-03-11 01:21:45 UTC  

@Eoppa My point is that a Christian's primary duty is to spread the word of truth and live in faith and that so long as we live to these ends we are fulfilling what Christ expects of us.

2020-03-11 01:22:09 UTC  

This is a classic Motte and Bailey

2020-03-11 01:22:29 UTC  

So even if Christians are not working towards having a state, as long as they fulfill the great commission and are remaining faithful, they are doing well.

2020-03-11 01:22:31 UTC  

```I disagree that we have any imperative to establish a state```

2020-03-11 01:22:56 UTC  

You are defending something much weaker than what you claimed

2020-03-11 01:23:09 UTC  

How so?

2020-03-11 01:23:22 UTC  

We have a moral obligation still. There is a hierarchy of charity, but that is a red herring.

2020-03-11 01:23:29 UTC  

We have certain responsibilities as Christians, establishing a state is not one.

2020-03-11 01:23:58 UTC  

Except that is heresy

2020-03-11 01:24:10 UTC  

And until you debate me on Catholicism this is true

2020-03-11 01:24:12 UTC  

We have a moral obligation only if God is not enforcing His will through what ever state exists already

2020-03-11 01:24:40 UTC  

We have a moral obligation at all times to govern based on Christs principles.

2020-03-11 01:24:57 UTC  

The state doesn't stop at the president, the Father, the localities, etc

2020-03-11 01:25:01 UTC  

That is assuming a Christian is in power and I would agree

2020-03-11 01:25:14 UTC  

Assuming a non Christian is in power it's still true

2020-03-11 01:25:38 UTC  

So how do you intend to explain to an atheist king why he should adhere to the bible?

2020-03-11 01:25:38 UTC  

A non Christian in power will go to hell, and will not lead goodly

2020-03-11 01:25:46 UTC  

You'd have to evangelize him

2020-03-11 01:25:52 UTC  

Of course?

2020-03-11 01:25:58 UTC  

Yeah

2020-03-11 01:26:05 UTC  

How does this change what I say?

2020-03-11 01:26:11 UTC  

What do you mean?

2020-03-11 01:26:21 UTC  

I don't think we disagree on as much as you think