Message from @Ater Votum

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2020-03-15 01:22:43 UTC  

Respect your enemies as you would your friends

2020-03-15 14:01:49 UTC  

If you go with Biblical morality, then it is contradicting itself because, you can't both follow the natural law, or go by with your natural/humane feelings and respect your enemies as you would your friends, since hate and disrespect towards your enemies is something very natural and very humane.

2020-03-15 14:04:09 UTC  

Natural =/= happens in nature

2020-03-15 14:04:50 UTC  

Obviously, but my point still stands.

2020-03-15 14:05:22 UTC  

If this is obvious to you, what you said is nonsense

2020-03-15 14:05:37 UTC  

Explain how it's nonsense, then.

2020-03-15 14:06:57 UTC  

Natural law pertains to natures, the ideal form of man. Respect and love is greater than hate and disrespect in regards to the perfect man.

2020-03-15 14:09:48 UTC  

The natural law is a body of principles and morals that strictly follow what's natural for a human to do. Showing hate and disrespect towards your enemies is very humane, and therefore by respecting your enemies as you would your friends, you're violating the natural law.

2020-03-15 14:10:09 UTC  

make the distinction/////////

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/686291889653416085/688750894564507871/unknown.png

2020-03-15 14:11:13 UTC  

@Koninos what is natural is not synonymous with what happens in nature, clearly you don't find this obvious.

2020-03-15 14:11:44 UTC  

I find this obvious but yet my point still stands.

2020-03-15 14:11:50 UTC  

literally the example i showed proves u wrong

2020-03-15 14:12:15 UTC  

Not really.

2020-03-15 14:12:31 UTC  

Not unless your definition of natural law is different.

2020-03-15 14:12:33 UTC  

ur being disingenuous

2020-03-15 14:14:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/686291889653416085/688752110166212611/unknown.png

2020-03-15 14:16:43 UTC  

And what does this prove exactly? That hate or disrespect doesn't exist in the physical world without the people controlling it? i can't see how that proves me wrong.

2020-03-15 14:19:36 UTC  

ur not making the distinction and instead saying that natural is "usual way that a person or an animal behaves that is part of their character"

2020-03-15 14:20:08 UTC  

genuine dishonesty here

2020-03-15 14:23:16 UTC  

How am I being genuinely dishonest? To start with, I never said that natural is the way a person or an animal behaves that is part of their character, because that would mean that a psychopath behaves naturally. What I said, is that all feelings that one can feel are natural, and for religious people, constructions of God. Hate is one of the many feelings that we humans can feel -thanks to God, if you're religious- and hence is natural. Same with disrespect. Therefore, by respecting your enemy as much as you would respect your friend, you defy nature, and hence this "biblical morality" of some sort, is contradicting its own self.

2020-03-15 14:27:47 UTC  

semantics debates are useless.... but anyway thats literally the same thing since both refers to the the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something

2020-03-15 19:59:10 UTC  

**@Traz** has been detained.

2020-03-15 20:35:51 UTC  

**PHILOSOPHY QUESTION**

2020-03-15 20:36:54 UTC  

**Is truth objective or subjective and what about morality?**

2020-03-15 20:36:58 UTC  

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2020-03-15 20:37:03 UTC  

truth is objective

2020-03-15 20:37:15 UTC  

to say truth is subjective is in itself an objective statement

2020-03-15 20:37:23 UTC  

which is self contradictory

2020-03-15 20:37:25 UTC  

I disagree.

2020-03-15 20:38:17 UTC  

why

2020-03-15 20:38:56 UTC  

I ain't no expert.

2020-03-15 20:39:11 UTC  

im asking why you think that truth is subjective

2020-03-15 20:39:25 UTC  

But if you're looking at a galactic level truth we as humans are simply limited by our sensory organs.

2020-03-15 20:39:39 UTC  

We perceive things within our limitations.

2020-03-15 20:39:56 UTC  

Is there a human truth? Is it objective?

2020-03-15 20:39:59 UTC  

Maybe.

2020-03-15 20:40:17 UTC  

But us as a species arent capable of observing the absolute truth.

2020-03-15 20:41:01 UTC  

ive heard that argument so many times, literally ignores the metaphysical and spiritual side of humanity.

2020-03-15 20:41:33 UTC  

I dont know what you want me to say to that.

2020-03-15 20:41:55 UTC  

In my opinion we are biological beings.

2020-03-15 20:42:08 UTC  

Things like spirituality could be constructs we created for all we know.