literally the example i showed proves u wrong

Not really.

Not unless your definition of natural law is different.

ur being disingenuous

And what does this prove exactly? That hate or disrespect doesn't exist in the physical world without the people controlling it? i can't see how that proves me wrong.

ur not making the distinction and instead saying that natural is "usual way that a person or an animal behaves that is part of their character"

genuine dishonesty here

How am I being genuinely dishonest? To start with, I never said that natural is the way a person or an animal behaves that is part of their character, because that would mean that a psychopath behaves naturally. What I said, is that all feelings that one can feel are natural, and for religious people, constructions of God. Hate is one of the many feelings that we humans can feel -thanks to God, if you're religious- and hence is natural. Same with disrespect. Therefore, by respecting your enemy as much as you would respect your friend, you defy nature, and hence this "biblical morality" of some sort, is contradicting its own self.

semantics debates are useless.... but anyway thats literally the same thing since both refers to the the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something

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**PHILOSOPHY QUESTION**

**Is truth objective or subjective and what about morality?**

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truth is objective

to say truth is subjective is in itself an objective statement

which is self contradictory

I disagree.

why

I ain't no expert.

im asking why you think that truth is subjective

But if you're looking at a galactic level truth we as humans are simply limited by our sensory organs.

We perceive things within our limitations.

Is there a human truth? Is it objective?

Maybe.

But us as a species arent capable of observing the absolute truth.

ive heard that argument so many times, literally ignores the metaphysical and spiritual side of humanity.

I dont know what you want me to say to that.

In my opinion we are biological beings.

Things like spirituality could be constructs we created for all we know.

The metaphysical and spiritual are subjective experiences anyway. Everyone has a different perception of the world around them. No more wrong or right than yours or mine.

There is no one absolute truth which we can build society upon.

The world is an ever dynamic place.

are you jewish by any chance

No.

I was born and raised christian. First ten years of my life as orthodox. Next ten years as catholic.

you have a very jewish, and rootless outlook on the universe

It could be. As far as I know absolutely no one in my family is of that faith.

There are certain objective truths; the rest are subjective. Morality is 100% subjective. i don't have the time to elaborate any further, but if you scroll up, you'll find a debate I've had with some other guy on the same topic.

I ain't no expert. But arent Jewish people very religious? They got their own holy books and all that.

they are as religious as satanists because they literally are