"This is the best analogy i saw for this
Suppose i have a light bulb which is turned off, that light bulb itself is indeterminate towards being turned on, that action is dependent on me moving and turning on the switch which then turns on the light bulb
since a light bulb cannot just turn itself on on its own
It requires a seperate entity to do the required sets of change which then turn on the light "

Take, for instance..

Electrons orbiting a nucleus

That just simply naturally occurs, the electrons changing position

Without any outside influence upon an electron

Yes

His explanation is weird

Mine is better

I assume, then, that you'd contend energy was required for said electron to move, which you'd be correct

but, as a result

Not only energy

But multiple other factors

Organization of an atom, sure

But that could simply be the result of energy

And energy itself can actually be a result of somethign we haven't yet discovered etc

Its all discrete properties of things interacting with one another creating a more nuanced reaction

Sure, but doesn't that simply mean that the prime act is "energy"?

?

Rather, energy actualizing/acting upon itself

Due to, well, simply the link between energy and matter

Light, we already established that there is no "actualizing" in god himself

Since god is unchanged

Rather, energy exists, before later, energy acting upon itself

idk it's fukken 2 am here

Thanks for taking the time to explain

no problem but i still dont understand what you mean lmao

its okay if u wanna go to sleep now we can continue this tomorrow or some other time

sure

ttyl

gn

Bruh

Any Lutherans in the server?

🤢

I thought you two will be continuing the debate? @Sentient23 @Light

tag me again and face the consequences

@Sentient23 y u mad?

It's only a game

Tomorrow is Orthodox Christmas, where are mein fellow Julian Calendar negroes at.

<@&588707615643795456> Should there be a separation of church and state?

Yea

No