Message from @Sentient23
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"I get it now, but this would only imply that there are all possible worlds. This would mean the metapresent isn't all act" How?
Do you understand what is meant by "in reference to the meta present, everything is actual"?
Yes, you superimpose all states onto each other to get a meta present
So in this metapresent, everything is in act
Yes
yes and whats the issue with that?
My issue is that among these different possibilities, there are different variations of acts and some things would be in potency, so it's entirely contradictory.
If it takes everything in act, it would take all worlds where there also is potency into account too
Is what you're saying that in a universe 1, a coffee is hot, but in universe 2 a cup of coffee is cold, and within universe 1 that coffee is potentially cold? Is that what you mean by different variations of acts while some things remaining in potency
I mean in U1, Coffee is 31 degrees U2, Coffee is 32 degrees, and so forth. Or more relevant to my point, let's say an object can move X to Y or X to Z, etc. None of these can be put together into one meta present
I'll leave my comment about potency out for now
Why can they not?
Because two objects cant occupy the same space
You do realize that makes literally 0 sense right lol
We're talking about seperate universes, they're not occupying same spaces
Then this meta present seems very superficial if it is in no way real
When did i say it was not real? I never said that two objects occupy the same space, I said what the multi verse theory says, which is that there are multiple different universe which are identical but peculiar in some ways
They are not just peculiar in some ways, either it's exhaustive of all potentials or not
Yes they are, and since its an infinite number of universes, all potentials which exist within universe 1 are actualized in universe 2, etc
Yeah, and what I'm saying is if you try to superimpose that into 1 reality you get contradictions and incoherency
What do you mean by 1 reality?
The meta present
I don't think you have the same conception i have of meta present
Probably not
I don't mean that we combine all things from all universes into a single universe, this of course leads to contradictions such as infinite number of things residing in a same place
What i mean by super present, is simply this abstract frame of time from which everything is in actuality and nothing is in potency
Its hard to explain
Well the problem is there isn't 1 act
Why is that a problem?
you need to go to church more often
It's a problem because if there are different ways of actualizing something, there isn't just "in act"
Elaborate?
You can be in act in way Y or way Z, there isn't only one way to be in act, so there would need to be infinite meta presents as well, which defeats the purpose
No that single meta present encompasses all infinite non meta presents which exist simultaniously
Then the metapresent is illusionary
Not vice versa
And that doesn't answer my criticism
There are infinite ways to have everything actual
What's the server stance on Pagans and Occultists?
cool
What's your stance