Message from @Gothik Extravaganza

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2020-02-03 19:02:32 UTC  

How so

2020-02-03 19:02:51 UTC  

He did not go through the laying of hands

2020-02-03 19:02:59 UTC  

He does not hold succession

2020-02-03 19:03:28 UTC  

Explain the laying of hands

2020-02-03 19:03:43 UTC  

As I said earlier, I'm still learning

2020-02-03 19:04:05 UTC  

As in the bible ```In the Catholic Church, the laying on of hands is performed in the sacrament of Holy Orders and is the means by which one is included in one of the three major orders: bishop, priest, or deacon. ... The sacraments of ordination and confirmation are, however, reserved exclusively to a bishop```

2020-02-03 19:04:24 UTC  

They did this in the bible btw

2020-02-03 19:04:27 UTC  

Where is this in the Bible

2020-02-03 19:04:56 UTC  

It's in there with Matthias, I believe Timothy, and maybe James if I remember correctly

2020-02-03 19:05:09 UTC  

Can I get a specific example?

2020-02-03 19:09:04 UTC  

1 Timothy 4:14

2020-02-03 19:09:04 UTC  

2020-02-03 19:09:16 UTC  

1 Timothy 4:14

2020-02-03 19:09:17 UTC  

2020-02-03 19:09:37 UTC  

This was after going over the responsibilities of the Church authorities btw

2020-02-03 19:09:41 UTC  

Just says elders

2020-02-03 19:09:46 UTC  

Just read through 1 Timothy 3

2020-02-03 19:09:58 UTC  

As in Thessalonians the commanders of the church

2020-02-03 19:10:02 UTC  

Were elders

2020-02-03 19:10:45 UTC  

Do you believe that if you are not a member of Catholic church you cannot enter heaven?

2020-02-03 19:11:31 UTC  

My church has bishops and laying on of h of hands. So?

2020-02-03 19:12:04 UTC  

Every new bishop and deacon here is layed hands on by the eldest members of the church

2020-02-03 19:12:07 UTC  

Because Jesus gave the keys to the church

2020-02-03 19:12:12 UTC  

Peter

2020-02-03 19:12:22 UTC  

You are not a member of the church if you are outside the church

2020-02-03 19:12:30 UTC  

Wrong

2020-02-03 19:12:39 UTC  

The church is not an earthly entity

2020-02-03 19:12:43 UTC  

Or a singular church

2020-02-03 19:12:49 UTC  

Are you seriously alleging that everyone was wrong about this until Martin Luther?

2020-02-03 19:12:51 UTC  

It is any church in Communion with Christ

2020-02-03 19:13:05 UTC  

History is irrelevant

2020-02-03 19:13:06 UTC  

Martin Luther didn't even reject truth comes from the church until he went insane

2020-02-03 19:13:10 UTC  

Time does not make a wrong right

2020-02-03 19:13:15 UTC  

The church isn't based on the bible

2020-02-03 19:13:20 UTC  

The bible is based on the church

2020-02-03 19:13:24 UTC  

No

2020-02-03 19:13:30 UTC  

kind of true though

2020-02-03 19:13:40 UTC  

If you deny the infallibility of the church, you deny the infallibility of the bible

2020-02-03 19:13:45 UTC  

Wrong

2020-02-03 19:13:49 UTC  

I'll continue responding later

2020-02-03 19:13:53 UTC  

I deny the infallibility of the Catholics