Message from @Maksim

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2020-02-03 20:03:48 UTC  

so God acted through them......

2020-02-03 20:03:50 UTC  

No

2020-02-03 20:03:54 UTC  

That's what a tool is

2020-02-03 20:03:55 UTC  

what does that mean then

2020-02-03 20:04:06 UTC  

Acted thru implies they were given the will to and carried out his will

2020-02-03 20:04:09 UTC  

God directly used them

2020-02-03 20:04:18 UTC  

That's what ex cathedra is

2020-02-03 20:04:25 UTC  

you think that they didn't have free will?

2020-02-03 20:04:32 UTC  

More terms

2020-02-03 20:04:33 UTC  

Be simple

2020-02-03 20:04:45 UTC  
2020-02-03 20:04:56 UTC  

what do you base this on, how do you know it happened this way

2020-02-03 20:04:57 UTC  

They did not have free will for that purpose

2020-02-03 20:05:01 UTC  

God gave infallibility to men

2020-02-03 20:05:07 UTC  

Is what you're saying

2020-02-03 20:05:11 UTC  

No

2020-02-03 20:05:14 UTC  

You can say the same about the apostles

2020-02-03 20:05:18 UTC  

BRUH

2020-02-03 20:05:25 UTC  

He didn't "give" them infallibility

2020-02-03 20:05:33 UTC  

Because that implies they can act on their own

2020-02-03 20:05:35 UTC  

They cannot

2020-02-03 20:05:50 UTC  

Nothing can be added or subtracted from this scripture

2020-02-03 20:05:53 UTC  

that's what eoppa is saying when he says papal infallability

2020-02-03 20:05:58 UTC  

the pop is infallable ex cathedra

2020-02-03 20:06:07 UTC  

when he is infallable he cannot go against church canon

2020-02-03 20:06:13 UTC  

Matthew 10:20

2020-02-03 20:06:14 UTC  

becuase God is working through him

2020-02-03 20:06:29 UTC  

He gave Peter infallibility when speaking the word of God

2020-02-03 20:06:37 UTC  

Peter

2020-02-03 20:06:38 UTC  

Mk?

2020-02-03 20:06:39 UTC  

And?

2020-02-03 20:06:45 UTC  

Whatever the Apostles said, God said

2020-02-03 20:06:46 UTC  

And apostolic succession causes this to pass onto the Roman Pontiff

2020-02-03 20:06:49 UTC  

As head of the Church

2020-02-03 20:06:57 UTC  

If Peter's power can be translated to another person

2020-02-03 20:07:06 UTC  

it's not peter's power

2020-02-03 20:07:11 UTC  

it's the power of God in Peter

2020-02-03 20:07:13 UTC  

Matthews 10:20

2020-02-03 20:07:17 UTC  

Peter was initially the head of the Church, he was the rock upon which it was built

2020-02-03 20:07:17 UTC  

Huh

2020-02-03 20:07:22 UTC  

Why didn't Peter's ability to raise the dead be given to his successor