Message from @Valkindir

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2020-02-03 21:29:52 UTC  

Apostasy

2020-02-03 21:29:54 UTC  

I wasn't sure on that

2020-02-03 21:30:01 UTC  

And if can't be forgiven

2020-02-03 21:30:22 UTC  

it means that it can't be forgiven in the sense that if you believe in it when you die you can't be saved

2020-02-03 21:30:30 UTC  

people that go to heaven aren't sinless upon their deaths

2020-02-03 21:30:33 UTC  

nobody is free of sin

2020-02-03 21:30:43 UTC  

but if you have that particular sin with you on death you can't be saved

2020-02-03 21:30:44 UTC  

Well, not entirely true

2020-02-03 21:30:45 UTC  

What if you pray before your death

2020-02-03 21:30:49 UTC  

And are forgiven

2020-02-03 21:30:53 UTC  

All of us have sinned but not all of us are sinners

2020-02-03 21:30:55 UTC  

Do you technically enter heaven sinless

2020-02-03 21:31:06 UTC  

Well then you aren't an apostate

2020-02-03 21:31:07 UTC  

Because you did not commit any sins since forgiven

2020-02-03 21:31:15 UTC  

you can make a 100 sins without even knowing it

2020-02-03 21:31:17 UTC  

When you are justified it is just as if you had never sinned

2020-02-03 21:31:24 UTC  

^

2020-02-03 21:31:30 UTC  

this is where ortho and cath thought can disagree a bit

2020-02-03 21:31:41 UTC  

After baptism, confession, or such you are sinless

2020-02-03 21:31:41 UTC  

so idk about what the other guys' stances are

2020-02-03 21:31:47 UTC  

take yourself from the jesuit justification

2020-02-03 21:31:57 UTC  

it is a cuttting up

2020-02-03 21:31:58 UTC  
2020-02-03 21:31:59 UTC  

what does that mean

2020-02-03 21:32:00 UTC  

Justified

2020-02-03 21:32:17 UTC  

@Maksim As Eoppa mentioned, Baptism, confession and such

2020-02-03 21:32:25 UTC  
2020-02-03 21:32:37 UTC  

is this pagan lingo i don't understand or something

2020-02-03 21:32:39 UTC  

I know

2020-02-03 21:32:49 UTC  

Jesuits are the originators of popular utilitarianism

2020-02-03 21:32:57 UTC  

oh

2020-02-03 21:33:02 UTC  

even the montanists didn't agree

2020-02-03 21:33:19 UTC  

idk what the catholic church's stance on this is

2020-02-03 21:33:33 UTC  

They're heretics

2020-02-03 21:33:56 UTC  

Cataphrygian heresy

2020-02-03 21:33:58 UTC  

I thought blasphemy of the holy spirit was cursing it?

2020-02-03 21:34:03 UTC  

no that's silly

2020-02-03 21:34:12 UTC  

you don't go to hell forever just for cursing the holy spirit once

2020-02-03 21:34:18 UTC  

OG Jesuits were cool

2020-02-03 21:34:44 UTC  

can't believe i spent the entire day doing this

2020-02-03 21:34:55 UTC  

What's wrong with talking about God