they aren't like permanently bound as below us, if that's what you're implying

@Draško Can someone be or do anything such as they literally cannot enter heaven

i'm pretty sure that judas iscariot is dogmatically in hell

if you believe that you can't be saved then you can't be saved

that's the unforgivable sin

in the bible called "blasphemy against the holy spirit"

but that's what it essentially means

If you stop believing that, you can be saved of course

It's not a permanent thing like some people allege

@Draško wait what

So is blasphemy against the holy spirit where you reject that you can be saved?

yes

Is Judas dogmatically in Hell?

Apostasy

I wasn't sure on that

And if can't be forgiven

it means that it can't be forgiven in the sense that if you believe in it when you die you can't be saved

people that go to heaven aren't sinless upon their deaths

nobody is free of sin

but if you have that particular sin with you on death you can't be saved

Well, not entirely true

What if you pray before your death

And are forgiven

All of us have sinned but not all of us are sinners

Do you technically enter heaven sinless

Well then you aren't an apostate

Because you did not commit any sins since forgiven

you can make a 100 sins without even knowing it

When you are justified it is just as if you had never sinned

^

this is where ortho and cath thought can disagree a bit

After baptism, confession, or such you are sinless

so idk about what the other guys' stances are

take yourself from the jesuit justification

it is a cuttting up

@Caballería wdym

what does that mean

Justified

@Maksim As Eoppa mentioned, Baptism, confession and such

@Valkindir

is this pagan lingo i don't understand or something