and there will always be false ones.

Faith is critical

Everything is about faith. It's not about proof. If you must have proof of everything then you have no faith

We can't prove that Moses parted the Red Sea. We can't prove that God appeared to Moses.

ok so then I saw Jesus an hour ago and he said you were wrong. proof? nah just have fatith

None of these things can be proven

It's about faith exactly

If you saw Jesus an hour ago then you have a personal relationship with him and that's your business

You don't have to prove it to me

I don't have to believe you but I might

there is so much wrong with that

as Christians we must find proof for our beliefs

If you have proof than faith is irrelevant

this is why we are laughed at

But faith is everything

than we view it differently

We have no proof of any of these things. It is all about faith. It is about testimony. It is about a personal relationship with the savior

Well if you're an atheist or agnostic then you don't have much faith in Jesus Christ but no one's forcing you to

no because they are unbiblical, they do not follow the doctrine of the Bible, as like I said, if he appeared again in the flesh, then why did nothing that was prophesized to happen with that ever happen?

if he appeared again for a second time we should all be raptured, no?

I want to change my picture but it's not letting me do that

What's the argument here

mormonism

The Bible is all about faith also. Can't prove anything in the Bible is true

idfk read

That is untrue lemi

We can demonstrate a lot of the things in the bible

i.e that Jesus is the messiah

No claims can be proven at all?

Or literally anything else lol

Even minor things?

The second coming is not just about him arriving. He arrives all the time. The second coming is an event

Like we discovered King Uzziahs grave

You misunderstand what the second coming is

That's something

In the second coming he shows himself to all people as the savior and the Christ

It is just labeled the second coming. That doesn't mean that he didn't come before the first coming

So what you're saying doesn't make sense does it

There are many more than 2 arrivals of Jesus Christ as we well know

We don't have anything called the first coming

@moira now, you want my personal opinion on the works brought forth by Joseph Smith Jun?
I find the whole thing, highly compelling.
For example, last week I was hanging up in manitou springs, local art Mecca, and I spent the night lounging in the Matè Yerba factory, a quant deli ran by a religious group calling themselves The Twelve Tribes. My friend, Nadiv, works the graveyard shift. I kept to myself in the corner with a copy of Doctrine and Covenants as well as one of those "pocket Bibles" which is New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs tacked on the back.
It really wasn't a busy night so my friend would occasionally drop some scripture references to me. No lie, I am in awe and respect for his skill to know do many biblical verses from memory. Matter of fact, he's probably the only person I know outside the LDS faith who can spit references with such acrument. Point being, everything he said, everything he referenced, harkened back to what I was thumbing though in the D&C . it's as if they nothing short of reaffirm everything each other says. The Bible and the Doctrine and Covenants.

I wish I could tell you more. But alas, I've got to get going for me evening class.
God be with you until we meet again.