i.e that Jesus is the messiah

No claims can be proven at all?

Or literally anything else lol

Even minor things?

The second coming is not just about him arriving. He arrives all the time. The second coming is an event

Like we discovered King Uzziahs grave

You misunderstand what the second coming is

That's something

In the second coming he shows himself to all people as the savior and the Christ

It is just labeled the second coming. That doesn't mean that he didn't come before the first coming

So what you're saying doesn't make sense does it

There are many more than 2 arrivals of Jesus Christ as we well know

We don't have anything called the first coming

@moira now, you want my personal opinion on the works brought forth by Joseph Smith Jun?
I find the whole thing, highly compelling.
For example, last week I was hanging up in manitou springs, local art Mecca, and I spent the night lounging in the Matè Yerba factory, a quant deli ran by a religious group calling themselves The Twelve Tribes. My friend, Nadiv, works the graveyard shift. I kept to myself in the corner with a copy of Doctrine and Covenants as well as one of those "pocket Bibles" which is New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs tacked on the back.
It really wasn't a busy night so my friend would occasionally drop some scripture references to me. No lie, I am in awe and respect for his skill to know do many biblical verses from memory. Matter of fact, he's probably the only person I know outside the LDS faith who can spit references with such acrument. Point being, everything he said, everything he referenced, harkened back to what I was thumbing though in the D&C . it's as if they nothing short of reaffirm everything each other says. The Bible and the Doctrine and Covenants.

I wish I could tell you more. But alas, I've got to get going for me evening class.
God be with you until we meet again.

@lemiwinks how so, I believe that Jesus has not appeared in human form since he rose to heaven again, yes he may appear through the Holy Spirit, but he never does so in human form.

if he just appears in human form again and again then the idea of the Holy Spirit is redundant

Well you're welcome to believe that

I believe that Jesus is not silent

I believe that Jesus is personally involved in his gospel

Lux weren't you an atheist like 2 days ago

Jesus has always been personally involved

Im a agnostic

an*

ok

I respect you saying that you're agnostic

So many people pretend to be atheists

Those people tend to be very annoying

You are interested and having a real discussion

That's good

i just dont believe that Jesus does appear in the flesh

Why not ?

because that would go against the prophecies

I never said Jesus was distant

I just said he appeared through the Holy Spirit

Against which prophecy would that go against?

I understand why you might believe that but I don't think so. I don't know how often he appears in the flesh. I think most of the time it's just to an individual and for individual purposes I think he does appear in the flash on a regular basis.

But when that happens the vast majority of the time people don't go around talking about it because it was in a personal experiences

Yes of course the vast majority of the time it is the holy spirit through which he communicates with us

I think it would be a very special occasion if you were to appear in person but we can't know how many times he does that.

then we can agree to disagree because we have been debating for an hour now and I actually want to do something else

I have no idea. It could be once every 10 years or 10 times a day. Beats me ... But there's no reason why he wouldn't do that