```"When the Greeks spoke of the “procession” of the Holy Spirit, they had in mind the Greek word ekporeusis, the term, in fact, used in John 15:26 cited above, when Jesus said the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father.” This term refers to the essential and “first” origin of the Holy Spirit, which, the Greeks had right, is from the Father alone. It is the teaching of all Christians, East and West, that the Father is the soul monarch, or source (arche) of the entire Godhead."```

I am not telling you you're wrong, I did that some time ago, I am addressing your argument or whatever this is

You have not once even brought up a different translation, you just admitted you weren't a theologian so you couldn't.

also iirc catholic position at the times of schism was much more strict

didn't they say that greeks are heretics from denying "and the son"

correct, so?

I believe yes, because that is heresy

You can not say it and not be a heretic, but denying it is

Every father I quoted is as strict as the Catholic position, do you think the filioque came from nowhere?

even better

Obviously you did, you called it unwarranted lol

It's like calling the entire section the filioque comes from unwarranted because it was added

no, it did not came from nowhere, it came from wrong interpretations, lol

Tell me how it's wrong?

it is unwarranted because it was added

So the whole creed is unwarranted?

You've only called the word "proceeds" wrong, which doesn't effect the "and son", nor do we deny the primacy of the father

yet you do.

Not at all

We go with the fathers on this

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. And the Son is generated from the Father

As each father said.

Cyril most clearly

The Easterns actually taught many Westerns the filioque

tbh, I feel like this is repeating for like the third time, I'd rather admit I'm wrong then continue stating what I already said and what was said during the schism, "and the son" is incorrect because it requires very proper language, which is not always used by catholics.

which is why it is a heresy

you're right, I'm wrong, I can live with this

"And the son" was used by the easterns

just please stop typing paragraphs

will return when I am more educated and can type paragraphs myself

The filioque is a very heavy concept, paragraphs just happen, sorry about that

sure

either way as of now I think it can be clearly seen where catholic church's decisions has lead

What're you going to say "woman deacons" sorry orthodox already has them.

That's even if you aren't sede of course

`What're you going to say "woman deacons" sorry orthodox already has them.
`no?

please stop trying to do a gotcha

especially before I say anything

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I mean that's typically what orthobros bring up

I'm just preemptively saying don't claim that