Message from @Ater Votum
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They are all clear on it
yes this is accurate
You have made zero criticism that I can take, you are just telling me I might be wrong, when earlier I told you the translation differences.
```"When the Greeks spoke of the “procession” of the Holy Spirit, they had in mind the Greek word ekporeusis, the term, in fact, used in John 15:26 cited above, when Jesus said the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father.” This term refers to the essential and “first” origin of the Holy Spirit, which, the Greeks had right, is from the Father alone. It is the teaching of all Christians, East and West, that the Father is the soul monarch, or source (arche) of the entire Godhead."```
I am not telling you you're wrong, I did that some time ago, I am addressing your argument or whatever this is
You have not once even brought up a different translation, you just admitted you weren't a theologian so you couldn't.
also iirc catholic position at the times of schism was much more strict
didn't they say that greeks are heretics from denying "and the son"
correct, so?
I believe yes, because that is heresy
You can not say it and not be a heretic, but denying it is
Every father I quoted is as strict as the Catholic position, do you think the filioque came from nowhere?
even better
Obviously you did, you called it unwarranted lol
It's like calling the entire section the filioque comes from unwarranted because it was added
no, it did not came from nowhere, it came from wrong interpretations, lol
Tell me how it's wrong?
it is unwarranted because it was added
So the whole creed is unwarranted?
You've only called the word "proceeds" wrong, which doesn't effect the "and son", nor do we deny the primacy of the father
Not at all
We go with the fathers on this
The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. And the Son is generated from the Father
As each father said.
Cyril most clearly
The Easterns actually taught many Westerns the filioque
tbh, I feel like this is repeating for like the third time, I'd rather admit I'm wrong then continue stating what I already said and what was said during the schism, "and the son" is incorrect because it requires very proper language, which is not always used by catholics.
which is why it is a heresy
you're right, I'm wrong, I can live with this
"And the son" was used by the easterns
just please stop typing paragraphs
will return when I am more educated and can type paragraphs myself
The filioque is a very heavy concept, paragraphs just happen, sorry about that
sure
either way as of now I think it can be clearly seen where catholic church's decisions has lead
What're you going to say "woman deacons" sorry orthodox already has them.
That's even if you aren't sede of course
`What're you going to say "woman deacons" sorry orthodox already has them.
`no?
please stop trying to do a gotcha
especially before I say anything