Message from @Ater Votum

Discord ID: 689625109283078157


2020-03-17 21:24:17 UTC  

@Eoppa Next time something like this happens, ping me.

2020-03-17 23:55:45 UTC  

What's a good argument for objective morality?

2020-03-17 23:56:24 UTC  

why are you asking

2020-03-17 23:57:39 UTC  

Some guy said Evil doesn't exist because "muh moral subjectivity"

2020-03-17 23:57:53 UTC  

It was on a different server

2020-03-17 23:58:26 UTC  

well yeah there is no evil if morality is subjective

2020-03-17 23:58:38 UTC  

its a matter of popularity

2020-03-17 23:59:24 UTC  

So theoretically speaking, murder would be considered moral?

2020-03-17 23:59:37 UTC  

it will to you

2020-03-17 23:59:41 UTC  

if you say so

2020-03-17 23:59:59 UTC  

I'm an Aristotelian Catholic. When you refer to a father, we can speak as to a good father based on its form. Goodness comes from being.

2020-03-18 00:00:04 UTC  

its just an unpopular opinion

2020-03-18 00:00:44 UTC  

the fact objective morality exists should be enough proof that god exists

2020-03-18 00:01:40 UTC  

Because God exists as maximally perfect, he as well is maximally good.

2020-03-18 00:02:10 UTC  

he is perfectly moral

2020-03-18 00:02:34 UTC  

Moral is a touchy word, especially around deontologists

2020-03-18 00:02:39 UTC  

morality can be both but most of it is objective

2020-03-18 00:02:56 UTC  

like wasting water isn't that immoral when you live in an area where there is a lot of it but it's immoral in the desert

2020-03-18 00:03:05 UTC  

on the other hand things like murder is always immoral

2020-03-18 00:03:31 UTC  

even some of the stuff that doesn't make direct sense like sodomy or keeping families together is subject to objective morality.

2020-03-18 00:03:58 UTC  

@Eoppa hmm why?

2020-03-18 00:04:56 UTC  

They make a distinction between ethics, which is what everyone else calls morals anyways. And morals which is the application of ethics to them.

2020-03-18 00:05:13 UTC  

Ancaps usually use this distinction with the NAP

2020-03-18 00:05:43 UTC  

i dont understand how can someone disagree with god

2020-03-18 00:05:52 UTC  

he is the creator

2020-03-18 00:06:14 UTC  

the whole universe is made by him

2020-03-18 00:06:35 UTC  

And is continually sustained by him.

2020-03-18 00:07:53 UTC  

besides that rules that are made by yourself are arbitrary

2020-03-18 00:08:13 UTC  

why shouldnt it be anything else

2020-03-18 00:12:51 UTC  

@Florida Man anyway perhaps I do but I must dine at a suppertime feast first

2020-03-18 00:14:43 UTC  

Alright then

2020-03-18 03:02:41 UTC  

<@&588707615643795456> Daily Question 🔖

-Do you think that the Christians actually started the fire during Nero's reign in the Roman Empire? Why would they do so, and did Nero do well that he blamed them?

2020-03-18 03:03:27 UTC  

no

2020-03-18 03:03:43 UTC  

I think the filthy disgusting city started the fire

2020-03-18 03:03:52 UTC  

Probably not

2020-03-18 03:03:53 UTC  

It's very unlikely, and well, considering Christians were Nero's enemies, he did well. He did what he had to do, destroy his enemies.

2020-03-18 03:06:31 UTC  

Not really

2020-03-18 03:07:33 UTC  

Hmm. No, I do not think Christians did it. I don't see a motive. They were already outcasts as is, easy targets, hence why Nero blamed them so easily.

2020-03-18 04:21:15 UTC  

I agree, Christians had no motive for starting the fire

2020-03-18 04:21:33 UTC  

That and Nero was a bit paranoid

2020-03-18 12:49:39 UTC  

They had a motive, and a very good one, but they just didn't.