Message from @AncienMedecin
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What is the universal magisterium?
Can the language which is used to signify such statements be abused, as in be used to disseminate false doctrine under church authority? Does its use automatically invoke some sort of divine power?
What provision is there in death for those humans who did not come into contact with the true church in their lifetime?
The universal magisterium is the infallible teachings of the church, as compared to the ordinary magisterium.
No, if a Pope acts ex Cathedra or such, he acts with the authority of the divine.
Some believe in Baptism of Desire, some like Aquinas believe a good ignorant person would be baptized by an angel if they truly deserved it.
What is the ordinary magisterium? Fallible teachings?
Logically a Pope or such would prepare his statements ahead of time. Does that mean that there is divine influence over him before his statement?
But is there official church doctrine regarding these people?
Extra: Does Dante's Divine Comedy have a theological basis? I am ignorant.
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m8 these are interesting questions
Yes, ordinary magisterium is fallible.
Possibly, exactly how the divine works through a person I don't think has been layed out exactly.
If you accept V2 then yes, it is possible for them to if they live a certain way. If you don't then they must go through the Aquinas way if they are to go to heaven.
Regarding Dante's inferno I know there are some spared from punishment and some receiving worse punishment, it has *some* authenticity, but certainly isn't canon.
Ordinary magisterium is fallible, that means that there are some offices within the church that do not have divine influence?
Or is ordinary magisterium related to something else?
@Eoppa Last question bruh
@Eoppa He ditched me
He's probably busy
@AncienMedecin well yes, and it could mean it simply comes from the teachings of a person who demands respect whether they act on the office or not.
Wait, I think I see a contradiction. You said that if a church official acts on the office, somebody like the Pope, then they are infallible. But fallible magisterium you say here can be exercised even by somebody acting in the office? @Eoppa
Well let's take for example a Bishop instructing his local inferiors. That wouldn't be infallible.
Well whaddaya know Catholicism might actually be consistent
The Church Fathers know best
Aren't we all just prideful ignorant who know only so little about this world y
I am referring to the daddy comment I made that got removed twice
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Well more like "change it a bit"
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