It can go both ways.

they get punished when they are proven guilty

The punishment has a social cost.

The victims, the cost of police

The courts

All of this can sometimes be avoided with abortion.

no it can't

except if you don't want to kill humanity?

Well i don't think we should abort everyone

the you are wrong

as long as man exist the strain is their

you just refuse to except a person who is more likely to be helpful then harmful

accept*

You are killing someone who will help humanity develop which means you are harming humanity which makes you to either repent or be killed

If all the children aborted last year were to survive, would our country be better off by all metrics?

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That's a hard question

yes

because most of them would still not be borned

But either way I don't really care.

people will take less risk

Banning smoking, alcohol would help our society if it was feasible.

so what's your point?

I wouldn't ever advocate for that.

My point is you also need to establish why I should always care about maximizing the benefit of my tribe.

but they don't harm other people's rights

you killing a child violates its

And why your outcome is a better measurement of maximizing it than mine.

are you an egoist/

Does it have rights?

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a fetus?

yes

How do you know that?

That rights even exist?

it is going to be 99.99% of the time a functioning human

One sec...brb

ok just want to say that if you don't care about the betterment of others then you are outside the structure

meaning you yourself lose your right if want you do violates someone elses

I care about the betterment of others

Sometimes