Message from @vladi004

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2020-03-27 22:50:09 UTC  

the closest to you are are allowed more

2020-03-27 22:50:16 UTC  

no it can't

2020-03-27 22:50:21 UTC  

Not individuals will survive in that society, byt the society itself could.

2020-03-27 22:50:22 UTC  

it was proven with religion

2020-03-27 22:50:26 UTC  

and it's success

2020-03-27 22:50:27 UTC  

Hm?

2020-03-27 22:50:45 UTC  

But societies have had abortion, and this doesn't seem to be destroying them.

2020-03-27 22:50:47 UTC  

moral codes are beneficial if not essential

2020-03-27 22:50:58 UTC  

Some moral codes allow abortion though.

2020-03-27 22:51:12 UTC  

and they hurt society

2020-03-27 22:51:12 UTC  

Like mine.

2020-03-27 22:51:18 UTC  

Do they?

2020-03-27 22:51:26 UTC  

Hurt by what metric?

2020-03-27 22:51:37 UTC  

but to a lesser extend than others and most people don't care

2020-03-27 22:51:43 UTC  

by what matric?

2020-03-27 22:51:59 UTC  

Yes do they shorten the lifetime of society's, reduce happiness?

2020-03-27 22:52:03 UTC  

What metric

2020-03-27 22:52:22 UTC  

How do we quantify the amount of hurt for society?

2020-03-27 22:52:27 UTC  

longevity success and happiness

2020-03-27 22:52:49 UTC  

more children bring more success

2020-03-27 22:53:01 UTC  

this happened in Europe and will happen in Africa

2020-03-27 22:53:23 UTC  

that has yet to be demonstrated. And I can say that it hurts society to ban abortion by my own metrics.

2020-03-27 22:53:33 UTC  

why?

2020-03-27 22:53:53 UTC  

child is far more likely to be beneficial

2020-03-27 22:53:56 UTC  

Because it does. My metric is "freedom from unwanted pregnancy"

2020-03-27 22:54:11 UTC  

I might value this more than any potential venefit

2020-03-27 22:54:13 UTC  

your matric isn't societal matric

2020-03-27 22:54:23 UTC  

Sure it is

2020-03-27 22:54:36 UTC  

if your moral code says murder is ok

2020-03-27 22:54:44 UTC  

The degree to which people in a society can get an abortion is a societal metric.

2020-03-27 22:54:46 UTC  

I put you in jail after acting on it

2020-03-27 22:54:51 UTC  

Your definition of murder.

2020-03-27 22:54:57 UTC  

most

2020-03-27 22:55:04 UTC  

No not the dictionary's

2020-03-27 22:55:11 UTC  

people just add an exception

2020-03-27 22:55:16 UTC  

Murder is usually defined as a legal term.

2020-03-27 22:55:19 UTC  

Unlawful killing.

2020-03-27 22:55:29 UTC  

I don't care if murder is ok in my system.

2020-03-27 22:55:33 UTC  

laws are meant to facilitate these things not make them

2020-03-27 22:55:35 UTC  

I can live with that, so can society.

2020-03-27 22:56:05 UTC  

that's why most laws have been based on religion through history