Message from @vladi004

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2020-03-27 22:51:43 UTC  

by what matric?

2020-03-27 22:51:59 UTC  

Yes do they shorten the lifetime of society's, reduce happiness?

2020-03-27 22:52:03 UTC  

What metric

2020-03-27 22:52:22 UTC  

How do we quantify the amount of hurt for society?

2020-03-27 22:52:27 UTC  

longevity success and happiness

2020-03-27 22:52:49 UTC  

more children bring more success

2020-03-27 22:53:01 UTC  

this happened in Europe and will happen in Africa

2020-03-27 22:53:23 UTC  

that has yet to be demonstrated. And I can say that it hurts society to ban abortion by my own metrics.

2020-03-27 22:53:33 UTC  

why?

2020-03-27 22:53:53 UTC  

child is far more likely to be beneficial

2020-03-27 22:53:56 UTC  

Because it does. My metric is "freedom from unwanted pregnancy"

2020-03-27 22:54:11 UTC  

I might value this more than any potential venefit

2020-03-27 22:54:13 UTC  

your matric isn't societal matric

2020-03-27 22:54:23 UTC  

Sure it is

2020-03-27 22:54:36 UTC  

if your moral code says murder is ok

2020-03-27 22:54:44 UTC  

The degree to which people in a society can get an abortion is a societal metric.

2020-03-27 22:54:46 UTC  

I put you in jail after acting on it

2020-03-27 22:54:51 UTC  

Your definition of murder.

2020-03-27 22:54:57 UTC  

most

2020-03-27 22:55:04 UTC  

No not the dictionary's

2020-03-27 22:55:11 UTC  

people just add an exception

2020-03-27 22:55:16 UTC  

Murder is usually defined as a legal term.

2020-03-27 22:55:19 UTC  

Unlawful killing.

2020-03-27 22:55:29 UTC  

I don't care if murder is ok in my system.

2020-03-27 22:55:33 UTC  

laws are meant to facilitate these things not make them

2020-03-27 22:55:35 UTC  

I can live with that, so can society.

2020-03-27 22:56:05 UTC  

that's why most laws have been based on religion through history

2020-03-27 22:56:34 UTC  

Religion is pretty dumb though <:really:591181753625083905>

2020-03-27 22:56:34 UTC  

laws are just facilitation of the greater moral code and I say right now it has a contradiction

2020-03-27 22:57:06 UTC  

it was an important construct for objective rights and moral codes

2020-03-27 22:57:09 UTC  

Of course, so let's rectify those contradictions in favor of abortion rights

2020-03-27 22:57:23 UTC  

favor let's hear you

2020-03-27 22:57:30 UTC  

But rights and morals aren't objective, you seemed to agree when you defined rights earlier

2020-03-27 22:57:40 UTC  

Actually no, you didn't

2020-03-27 22:58:31 UTC  

I suppose your definition of rights isn't objective, but it covers very little. And the decision to care about rights, or value rights remains subjective.

2020-03-27 22:59:20 UTC  

they are biologically objective but we are humans and we have done it by testing as we aren't God and need to reach objectivism slowly

2020-03-27 22:59:33 UTC  

^

2020-03-27 22:59:35 UTC  

Biologically?

2020-03-27 22:59:41 UTC  

How can I disagree then?

2020-03-27 22:59:50 UTC  

It doesn't seem biolgoically hard wired.

2020-03-27 23:00:10 UTC  

If I as a human don't agree with these that is.