all

mostly family in the begining

then your greater group and the the nation

even all of humanity counts

though less

Ehhhh not really. Should I? I care about those who share my ideals I suppose.

there are greater rights for those within the family and less for those outside

How do you know this?

your husband and children have more rights then the Chinese communist to you but he still has soem

I still don't quite know what you mean by "right"

Are rights just whatever we agree to gurantee to people?

Rights are the recognition of what is necessary for a rational being to live in a society; it is a moral principle that defines and sanctions an individual's freedom of action in a societal context.

But a society can exist and thrive without rights.

the closest to you are are allowed more

no it can't

Not individuals will survive in that society, byt the society itself could.

it was proven with religion

and it's success

Hm?

But societies have had abortion, and this doesn't seem to be destroying them.

moral codes are beneficial if not essential

Some moral codes allow abortion though.

and they hurt society

Like mine.

Do they?

Hurt by what metric?

but to a lesser extend than others and most people don't care

by what matric?

Yes do they shorten the lifetime of society's, reduce happiness?

What metric

How do we quantify the amount of hurt for society?

longevity success and happiness

more children bring more success

this happened in Europe and will happen in Africa

that has yet to be demonstrated. And I can say that it hurts society to ban abortion by my own metrics.

why?

child is far more likely to be beneficial

Because it does. My metric is "freedom from unwanted pregnancy"

I might value this more than any potential venefit

your matric isn't societal matric

Sure it is