Message from @vladi004

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2020-03-27 22:47:00 UTC  

all

2020-03-27 22:47:13 UTC  

mostly family in the begining

2020-03-27 22:47:24 UTC  

then your greater group and the the nation

2020-03-27 22:47:31 UTC  

even all of humanity counts

2020-03-27 22:47:34 UTC  

though less

2020-03-27 22:47:51 UTC  

Ehhhh not really. Should I? I care about those who share my ideals I suppose.

2020-03-27 22:47:57 UTC  

there are greater rights for those within the family and less for those outside

2020-03-27 22:48:20 UTC  

How do you know this?

2020-03-27 22:48:33 UTC  

your husband and children have more rights then the Chinese communist to you but he still has soem

2020-03-27 22:48:36 UTC  

I still don't quite know what you mean by "right"

2020-03-27 22:48:48 UTC  

Are rights just whatever we agree to gurantee to people?

2020-03-27 22:49:40 UTC  

Rights are the recognition of what is necessary for a rational being to live in a society; it is a moral principle that defines and sanctions an individual's freedom of action in a societal context.

2020-03-27 22:50:08 UTC  

But a society can exist and thrive without rights.

2020-03-27 22:50:09 UTC  

the closest to you are are allowed more

2020-03-27 22:50:16 UTC  

no it can't

2020-03-27 22:50:21 UTC  

Not individuals will survive in that society, byt the society itself could.

2020-03-27 22:50:22 UTC  

it was proven with religion

2020-03-27 22:50:26 UTC  

and it's success

2020-03-27 22:50:27 UTC  

Hm?

2020-03-27 22:50:45 UTC  

But societies have had abortion, and this doesn't seem to be destroying them.

2020-03-27 22:50:47 UTC  

moral codes are beneficial if not essential

2020-03-27 22:50:58 UTC  

Some moral codes allow abortion though.

2020-03-27 22:51:12 UTC  

and they hurt society

2020-03-27 22:51:12 UTC  

Like mine.

2020-03-27 22:51:18 UTC  

Do they?

2020-03-27 22:51:26 UTC  

Hurt by what metric?

2020-03-27 22:51:37 UTC  

but to a lesser extend than others and most people don't care

2020-03-27 22:51:43 UTC  

by what matric?

2020-03-27 22:51:59 UTC  

Yes do they shorten the lifetime of society's, reduce happiness?

2020-03-27 22:52:03 UTC  

What metric

2020-03-27 22:52:22 UTC  

How do we quantify the amount of hurt for society?

2020-03-27 22:52:27 UTC  

longevity success and happiness

2020-03-27 22:52:49 UTC  

more children bring more success

2020-03-27 22:53:01 UTC  

this happened in Europe and will happen in Africa

2020-03-27 22:53:23 UTC  

that has yet to be demonstrated. And I can say that it hurts society to ban abortion by my own metrics.

2020-03-27 22:53:33 UTC  

why?

2020-03-27 22:53:53 UTC  

child is far more likely to be beneficial

2020-03-27 22:53:56 UTC  

Because it does. My metric is "freedom from unwanted pregnancy"

2020-03-27 22:54:11 UTC  

I might value this more than any potential venefit

2020-03-27 22:54:13 UTC  

your matric isn't societal matric

2020-03-27 22:54:23 UTC  

Sure it is