child is far more likely to be beneficial

Because it does. My metric is "freedom from unwanted pregnancy"

I might value this more than any potential venefit

your matric isn't societal matric

Sure it is

if your moral code says murder is ok

The degree to which people in a society can get an abortion is a societal metric.

I put you in jail after acting on it

Your definition of murder.

most

No not the dictionary's

people just add an exception

Murder is usually defined as a legal term.

Unlawful killing.

I don't care if murder is ok in my system.

laws are meant to facilitate these things not make them

I can live with that, so can society.

that's why most laws have been based on religion through history

Religion is pretty dumb though <:really:591181753625083905>

laws are just facilitation of the greater moral code and I say right now it has a contradiction

it was an important construct for objective rights and moral codes

Of course, so let's rectify those contradictions in favor of abortion rights

favor let's hear you

But rights and morals aren't objective, you seemed to agree when you defined rights earlier

Actually no, you didn't

I suppose your definition of rights isn't objective, but it covers very little. And the decision to care about rights, or value rights remains subjective.

they are biologically objective but we are humans and we have done it by testing as we aren't God and need to reach objectivism slowly

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Biologically?

How can I disagree then?

It doesn't seem biolgoically hard wired.

If I as a human don't agree with these that is.

there is a set rights which make any society objectively better and they have been proven

No not objectively better

yes

Better by the metrics *you* care about

you are just subjective

I might not care about those metrics

no

Just because your perspective is different doesn't mean there isn't an objective answer to morality

murder is proven to be detrimental