if you think the government is abusive and corrupt, increasing it will increase abuse and corruption

basic logic my dude

More Democracy = Less Corruption.

Basic logic my dude.

how?

The less power one has, the less likely it is for them to be corrupt.

Obviously.

the less power one has, the more they want it
are you familiar with the law of diminishing returns?

That's where education comes in, and other factors that stop people from the desire of excessive power.

There should be a roof, a limit to the power one can have. When it exceeds the limit, you kill them.

how does education lead to people wanting less power?

I'm not in favor of brain washing, but haven't you heard of it?

It's a form of education.

Education plays a huge role in people's beliefs.

1) if you're not in favor of brainwashing, what are you in favor of?
2) brainwashing is much more effective when the brainwashed are docile and have no institutional power
3) we are simply going to disagree on the impact of education on beliefs. emotional impulse is the biggest predictor of political affiliation for example. there is no wait you are going to educate ambitious people out of their ambition

emotional impulse is the biggest predictor in majority populations. results don't replicate among minority groups

1) An education which is absolute on objective matters, and on subjective matters an education which states the facts objectively, without leaning to any sides, and letting the students lean in to any side by themselves.
2) Brainwashing doesn't always work, is unethical and violates human rights.
3) You can educate one before they become ambitious or develop any huge emotional impulses. For those who have already been "educated," you can reduce their ambition. And well, if they are idiotic absolutes, the state doesn't need them, and the people can vote for them to be deported.

Emotional impulse is __currently__ the biggest predictor in majority populations indeed, but that's because people of these majority populations have not received proper education, with good quality.

Basically education, nowadays, is biased, subjective and bad.

So the emotional impulse that is inside every each and one of us takes control of our mind.

Point 3 sounds distopian

@Maksim How so?

the biggest problem with education how it currently functions is that its much less concerned with developing the child as a whole through knowledge and guidance and much more concerned with test marks, grades and just "teaching" the child whats necessary for them to secure a job. obviously this is important as well but education should be much more than that

^

MUCH more.

Nowadays many parents, teachers, the state even, undermine the importance of philosophy, debating, etc, because it's not going to guarantee you a job.

1) you cannot derive moral oughts from facts. furthermore, there is no reason why "knowing the facts" will reduce corruption
2) sure
3) you cannot stop emotional impulse through education for the same reason you can't stop your height from growing with education. it's a natural process. btw, children under the age of 1 already show emotions such as tribalism. Once again, you have to tell me how you teach people not to be ambitious. I need evidence. you can't simply say, we are going to make them not ambitious

even stuff that is important later in life such as taxes, finance etc is hardly touched on at all at least here

not sure how it is in other countries ofc

1) You state several beliefs, quotes, etc regarding the moral topic, you get a good teacher to explain every possible view of the topic, and let the students, through debating and research, form an opinion. Knowing the facts isn't a way to reduce corruption, it's a way education can be objective, without being biased or promoting certain ideologies/beliefs/whatsoever, and a way through which students can form opinions.
3) You don't teach people not to be ambitious. You just reduce their ambitiousness by placing a roof over their heads, saying that's the highest they can ever reach. Should they reach the roof, they're not going higher. Should they attempt to go higher, they deal with the consequences. You also teach the student why that roof exists, and what can happen if the roof breaks. Moreover, as long as you can control emotions, the educational system could use several psychological (NOT psychiatrical) methods to let students master their emotions and become more reasonable.

@Pseudo-Analysist

What form of government are you actually advocating for? What is this roof?
On the emotional front, you aren't seeing what I'm getting at. I'm talking about moral emotions and how they effect people's political opinions. Being low in openness to experience and high in consciousness is a high predictor of conservativism. The inverse is a high predictor of progressivism. Being high in disgust sensitivity predicts authoritarianism and social conservatism. Low disgust sensitivity predicts social liberalism etc. No matter how many facts people know, they are always going to disagree because they are going to disagree on what should be done about the facts. @Koninos

Modified Direct Democracy, and the roof is the amount of power and position one can get in this Democratic system.

As for the people's emotions, they can be controlled and mastered through many ways, as I said. And by teaching discipline, the Democratic values and all, students can freely express their views, even if they're Authoritarian or conservative. One of the education's purpose should be to get students to understand why Democracy is important and vital for the population. And disagreeing with what should be done about the facts is a good thing, since the Educational System should promote debating between the students. But with placing that roof, the limit of power one can have, and in combination of mastering one's emotions and having discipline and many other important values, people's emotions place no threats to Democracy or the Educational System.

@Pseudo-Analysist

@Koninos how is power measured?

In the system I'm talking about, with the height of the position(s) one can have.

The higher the position, the more administrative power the person who acquires the position has.

@Pseudo-Analysist

Do you want me to ping you actually?

yes, we can keep pinging. if I don't respond on time it's because I'm doing something else.

What happens when people vote for more centralized governmental institutions? @Koninos

when they vote to increase the limit

Then the limit is increased.