Sex is not about pleasure, and never should be

no its not @Maksim

sex is about pleasure as well

I disagree

your understanding is wrong then

Pleasure is a motivation of the flesh

We should reject it

who gave you flesh

What we lose here we gain 10 fold in heaven

who put that motivation in you

God created us perfect, but Adam and Eve sinned

Giving us the want for pleasure

God did not give us the want for pleasure

Satan did

you think too highly of satan

I don’t think the use of pleasure to mitigate suffering is the appropriate approach the everyday Man should face life with, and much to my chagrin, it often is the case.

Satan influenced Eve to sin, and Eve influenced Adam to sin

God commanded us to not eat from the tree

Yet they did

the quran said they both sinned, doesnt say who did it first

Because of Satan

Eve sinned first

She then for Adam to sin

Adam was resistant at first

This is why God commands that the woman is below the man

And why they must be controlled

Because they will always try to draw their men to sin

Such as with sex

@Deleted User because the moment you rely on pleasures to affirm your life, is the moment you willingly allow your happiness to be contingent on the material and not spiritual, on the ephemeral. This is the path of the hedonist, and the willing slave.

@Ater Votum you are mixing up

what is the meaning of life to you exactly?

Mind

mind?

To be moral and worship God

yeah

To subdue yourself to physical pleasures is a grave sin

Learn stoicism

@Maksim do you believe youre going to heaven?

@Deleted User Yes, I have accepted Christ and do my best to be moral - I am no where near perfect and commit many sins. But I try.

Christ the mind

so even if you commit all sins, but accept christ. you go to heaven?