Message from @Eoppa

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2020-03-11 23:33:01 UTC  

what do you mean "justifies"

2020-03-11 23:36:02 UTC  

Why are you an anarchist

2020-03-11 23:39:56 UTC  

if my goal is to reduce the authority that holds sway over me, anarchism is the only solution.

2020-03-11 23:40:06 UTC  

and that is my goal

2020-03-11 23:40:41 UTC  

Why is that your goal

2020-03-11 23:40:49 UTC  

You a Stirner fan?

2020-03-11 23:42:02 UTC  

because i am all that matters to me. if something were to restrict me in my action i want to remove it

2020-03-11 23:42:10 UTC  

i don't hold any other cause above my own

2020-03-11 23:42:56 UTC  

Well I mean why. You seem to be dangerously close to just collapsing into psychological egoism which holds very little explanatory power imo.

2020-03-11 23:43:43 UTC  

Isn't Anarcho-capitalism the same thing?

2020-03-11 23:43:59 UTC  

anarcho-capitalism is a specific economic system

2020-03-11 23:44:11 UTC  

it's not even inherently egoistic

2020-03-11 23:44:14 UTC  

Well if he's against all authority then he should oppose the capital system

2020-03-11 23:44:46 UTC  

But what I'm asking is why do you want no restrictions?

2020-03-11 23:44:56 UTC  

i'm against all authority that has the capacity of limiting my will

2020-03-11 23:45:20 UTC  

If you are drunk and are about to kill, rape, or commit suicide, would you not be grateful for someone controlling you?

2020-03-11 23:46:14 UTC  

if i *wanted* to do those things, then no i wouldn't. since i don't want to do those things i don't think there should be someone controlling me to not do something that i wasn't interested in doing

2020-03-11 23:46:55 UTC  

However you certainly will regret it later no? You hold this view of the will as an unchanging perfect absolute.

2020-03-11 23:47:12 UTC  

It contradicts itself, your actions now hold authority over your future

2020-03-11 23:48:01 UTC  

That's why we regret putting ourselves in full body casts

2020-03-11 23:48:08 UTC  

Regret is the bane of your system here

2020-03-11 23:52:02 UTC  

i don't think of it as "perfect" or "absolute." if others help me in achieving what i want it's not so much authority as it is how i can achieve what i want. if i regret something i will try to fix it in what ways i can. but in general, if i can help it, i want to restrict what can hamper my will. I *understand and believe* that others exist with the capacity to exact their will on me as well and i respect that. i wouldn't want to restrict *others* will (if they're intentions weren't to harm me or those i cared about) as i wouldn't want them to do the same to me.

2020-03-11 23:52:29 UTC  

i'm not delusional that i can remove others abilities, just the *systems* that others put into place that restrict my will

2020-03-11 23:52:44 UTC  

The problem is your will is contradictory

2020-03-11 23:52:52 UTC  

Your will in the future is not the same

2020-03-11 23:53:05 UTC  

So in others preserving your future self they subject your present self

2020-03-11 23:53:20 UTC  

And yet you commend them for it because it is furthering your future will

2020-03-11 23:53:51 UTC  

This is horribly unsound

2020-03-11 23:56:26 UTC  

i'm not talking about abolishing *every single instance of my will being manipulated or constrained*. i'm not omnipotent. it's obvious to me that i can't literally do anything i can imagine so thinking that. It's not contradictory because i'm looking to abolish sources of authority that i can, i assumed you could understand that on your own.

2020-03-11 23:56:40 UTC  

i can't control time, and i can't voluntarily move through time

2020-03-11 23:56:56 UTC  

so saying my actions now will affect my future is obvious, i can only do that which is possible

2020-03-11 23:57:12 UTC  

That's not my contention at all though

2020-03-11 23:57:45 UTC  

My problem is that you would commend someone for preserving your future will, with and action now, right?

2020-03-11 23:58:38 UTC  

in that specific scenario i wouldn't object because that's what is helping my now. my intentions will change and what i want will change, and i accept that as a fact of the universe

2020-03-11 23:59:02 UTC  

Except it contradicts your current will.

2020-03-11 23:59:22 UTC  

Which you seek to eliminate, you don't have a sound system

2020-03-11 23:59:30 UTC  

if my will is to not kill someone and someone helps me, they aren't restricting me

2020-03-11 23:59:34 UTC  

they're aiding me

2020-03-12 00:00:08 UTC  

if i'm drunk, i'm not of clear mind and one could say that the intoxicants are restricting what i would want if i wasn't intoxicated

2020-03-12 00:00:22 UTC  

which is my default state

2020-03-12 00:00:25 UTC  

Well my situation is if your will now will put yourself in a full body cast, and someone preserves you...