Message from @𝖃𝖆𝖛𝖎𝖊𝖗
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But what I'm asking is why do you want no restrictions?
i'm against all authority that has the capacity of limiting my will
If you are drunk and are about to kill, rape, or commit suicide, would you not be grateful for someone controlling you?
if i *wanted* to do those things, then no i wouldn't. since i don't want to do those things i don't think there should be someone controlling me to not do something that i wasn't interested in doing
However you certainly will regret it later no? You hold this view of the will as an unchanging perfect absolute.
It contradicts itself, your actions now hold authority over your future
That's why we regret putting ourselves in full body casts
Regret is the bane of your system here
i don't think of it as "perfect" or "absolute." if others help me in achieving what i want it's not so much authority as it is how i can achieve what i want. if i regret something i will try to fix it in what ways i can. but in general, if i can help it, i want to restrict what can hamper my will. I *understand and believe* that others exist with the capacity to exact their will on me as well and i respect that. i wouldn't want to restrict *others* will (if they're intentions weren't to harm me or those i cared about) as i wouldn't want them to do the same to me.
i'm not delusional that i can remove others abilities, just the *systems* that others put into place that restrict my will
The problem is your will is contradictory
Your will in the future is not the same
So in others preserving your future self they subject your present self
And yet you commend them for it because it is furthering your future will
This is horribly unsound
i'm not talking about abolishing *every single instance of my will being manipulated or constrained*. i'm not omnipotent. it's obvious to me that i can't literally do anything i can imagine so thinking that. It's not contradictory because i'm looking to abolish sources of authority that i can, i assumed you could understand that on your own.
i can't control time, and i can't voluntarily move through time
so saying my actions now will affect my future is obvious, i can only do that which is possible
That's not my contention at all though
My problem is that you would commend someone for preserving your future will, with and action now, right?
in that specific scenario i wouldn't object because that's what is helping my now. my intentions will change and what i want will change, and i accept that as a fact of the universe
Except it contradicts your current will.
Which you seek to eliminate, you don't have a sound system
if my will is to not kill someone and someone helps me, they aren't restricting me
they're aiding me
if i'm drunk, i'm not of clear mind and one could say that the intoxicants are restricting what i would want if i wasn't intoxicated
which is my default state
Well my situation is if your will now will put yourself in a full body cast, and someone preserves you...
So now you appeal to lack of perfect information
Which would apply to all times
The state will prevent unfair practices for example because if you had perfection, you would do no wrong.
But you are always subject to short sighted desire
i right now wouldn't want to be in a full body cast. my want = not be in a full body cast. others helping me from that means i will *not be in a full body cast*. i also don't know why we're talking about unfair practices or doing wrong. i don't believe that doing wrong is inherently possible (assuming we're talking about morally wrong actions.) "fairness" isn't always my concern.
> But you are always subject to short sighted desire
i'm not really sure what you mean by this. if i want at one moment to be healthier because i believe that it will improve my life (which is something i'd like to do when i can) then i will do it.
i wouldn't consider that a short term desire
@𝖃𝖆𝖛𝖎𝖊𝖗 except in a certain state of mind you *may* wish to be in one. People have, and you may too.
By unfair practices, I mean ones that involve an action where one party doesn't have the entire knowledge of the situation.
Such as "no you cannot sell beer with cyanide in it without putting it on the label"
Or making the purchase of heroin illicit and such
You make no viable distinction between a drunken state and a state of ignorance or nescience
This is an interesting read