How is it harmful?

To discover the truth is harmful

@moira Come <#587029563863990282>

I wouldn't say it all stems from religon.
I'd say Traditions stem from necessity.

There is no inherent necessity for traditions

what are you talking about

necessity in itself must be connected to something which by its very nature, demands certain things we deem to be traditions - this is religion

we are the sum of our history and values and many of those values have come from religion

Nuclear family is highly effective, it's cooperative.
Marriage has a lot to do with structured inheritance.

*Traditional Family*

We aren't talking just marriage, it is the Traditional family that needs to be upheld

If divorces are at 50% that isn't being done

I didn't say it wasn't under attack, I was saying that nuclear family is born out of necessity.

@Deleted User So what do you suggest? To force people to stay together?

You can ensure that people stay together without force

How

encouraging religion will ensure people arent degenerates and are willing to committ to marriage, and will avoid actions that would've destroyed their marriage if they took those actions etc

Believe me, at first, everyone is willing to commit to marriage. But there are many cases in which the wife is abused by the husband, or the opposite. Then you cannot expect people to torture themselves and be abused for the rest of their lifespan, lol.

A husband and wife may lose thier interest in one another, but never their child, it's what'll hold it together.

@Koninos No, but you do understand why people are getting divorces right?

She wouldnt be abused by her husband if her husband was religious

I do.

People are getting divorces not because men and women are beating eachother more

not because there is more domestic abuse

but because of sexualization

and "marriage doesn't matter"

and because people lost religious conviction

I don't find it right all times, but I don't find forcing people to stay together right either.

they would rather go off and have unlimited sex with people than stay with a spouse and kid

It is good to encourage marriage commitment though.

That's not what our societies do though

because we are so sexualized

that nobody gives a shit

so degenerate

And it doesn't always happen for pleasure

It happens for money too

"Together through thick and thin"

One of my mother's friends was paid by the state when she had a divorce, because she got her daughter, obviously.

That is pathetic

Yes, it is.

I think people, as a part of the human condition, take solace in symbols and what they stand for. The things that religion stands for are absolutely disgusting to me when analyzed past the niceties of the initial introduction