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Goblin_Slayer_Floki
2019-12-01 17:04:56 UTC  

Yep

Goblin_Slayer_Floki
2019-12-01 17:05:21 UTC  

The big difference between capitalism and socialism in this front is there is more class fluidity in capitalism.

Capitán Alatriste
2019-12-01 17:05:58 UTC  

So the first article is based on the second?

-5K-
2019-12-01 17:06:12 UTC  

Yes

Astral_Andy
2019-12-01 17:12:50 UTC  

Yeah, so the fatal mistake Vaush is making here is presuming that, if collective ownership of the means of the production occurred, productivity would remain the same or increase. As all implementations of communism have shown us throughout history, the opposite of this occurs. Productivity occurs because a small subset of highly-driven individuals (entrepreneurs) drive forward productivity, as shown by the Pareto Principle.

Goblin_Slayer_Floki
2019-12-01 17:14:15 UTC  

Humans are reward based. If there is something an individual can get no one else does, a goal, they are more apt to work harder.

Goblin_Slayer_Floki
2019-12-01 17:14:49 UTC  

Hell even Lenon saw this towards the end. Iirc so did stalin.

-5K-
2019-12-01 17:16:13 UTC  

Lenin saw this so he used created private incentives using the NEP. Stalin saw this so he created punishments as incentives. Both realized incentives were needed, its just Stalin's incentives were absolutely brutal

Nordhand
2019-12-01 17:17:04 UTC  

beating will continue until morale improves

Nordhand
2019-12-01 17:25:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/650749419238719489/9qmh770o80241.webp

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 17:26:55 UTC  

<:Commie_ball:466404411535785995>

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 17:27:33 UTC  

Joe act so crazy that Bernie looks normal

galesteppes
2019-12-01 17:30:51 UTC  

@Astral_Andy do you realize that this isn't sargon's official server right?

Nordhand
2019-12-01 17:31:42 UTC  

well we are the better one. the other is pay to play

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 17:35:02 UTC  

Even if this was Sargon's offical server how does that make us his offical hivemind?

Astral_Andy
2019-12-01 17:35:17 UTC  

@galesteppes I didn't, but it doesn't really matter.

Astral_Andy
2019-12-01 17:36:00 UTC  

Philosophical discussion is philosophical discussion, wherever it is, and this seems like a good forum for it.

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 17:36:55 UTC  

Yup we like to throw the shit

Jabba's Soapbox
2019-12-01 18:41:57 UTC  

"Sargon" has actually given a fair summary of what happened... but then, YouTube debates are rarely productive anyway
https://youtu.be/Usa5A5oJnKE

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 18:46:34 UTC  

Well he didn't know what a grooming gang is

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 18:46:37 UTC  

or

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 18:46:41 UTC  

FGM

Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
2019-12-01 18:46:49 UTC  

interestingly

Jabba's Soapbox
2019-12-01 19:18:02 UTC  

imagine my shock

MountainMan
2019-12-01 19:20:49 UTC  

<:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

Goblin_Slayer_Floki
2019-12-01 19:31:11 UTC  

@-5K- stalin also had awards...towards the very end. They were mostly meaningless but they did raise production slightly.

Ondsinet
2019-12-01 20:59:30 UTC  

<:think_madpepe:378717098630971395> <:Commie_ball:466404411535785995>

Ondsinet
2019-12-01 20:59:38 UTC  

<:Commie_ball:466404411535785995> 💨

MountainMan
2019-12-01 21:02:05 UTC  

what if I told you a lot of that is spillover from poland <:GWcorbinTopKek:384871333705678868> @Ondsinet

Ondsinet
2019-12-01 21:04:09 UTC  

Poland must really like beans

MountainMan
2019-12-01 21:04:24 UTC  

<:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

Nordhand
2019-12-01 21:05:01 UTC  

revenge for the last 70 years