Message from @Donaldus Triumphus

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2018-05-09 02:02:08 UTC  

Civic Nationalist don't sound bad

2018-05-09 02:04:42 UTC  

aslong as it isn't Democrat lol

2018-05-09 02:05:51 UTC  

Civic nationalism really takes shape during and immediately after the French Revolution and plays a large part in the French understanding of nationalism still to this day. Ethno-nationalism really starts to come into its own during the unification efforts of Germany and Italy throughout the 19th century (it's not strictly a National Socialist/Fascist concept, though these two ideologies were heavily influenced by their past). If you were curious and wanted to read about those periods of history to get a better understanding

2018-05-09 02:06:25 UTC  

Civic Nationalism, I'm assuming that believes in heavy federal laws

2018-05-09 02:06:47 UTC  

where the federal government gets an ass ton of power

2018-05-09 02:07:42 UTC  

but maybe I'm wrong, my memory is a little hazy

2018-05-09 02:07:44 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-05-09 02:08:21 UTC  

It could involve that but a strong central authority isn't inherent to civic nationalist thought

2018-05-09 02:08:43 UTC  

It says civic nationalism is based off liberalism

2018-05-09 02:08:46 UTC  

shit I'm a Democrat lol

2018-05-09 02:09:02 UTC  

although I guess Democrat and liberal aren't the same thing

2018-05-09 02:09:14 UTC  

I think the Republicans were once liberal

2018-05-09 02:10:02 UTC  

Hey didn't the Democrats originally believe in slavery

2018-05-09 02:10:29 UTC  

back then, every black guy was Republican. The Republicans were against slavery

2018-05-09 02:11:29 UTC  

@Ben Garrison I think I'm an old-fashion liberal, kind of like Alex Jones

2018-05-09 02:12:18 UTC  

Don't really know at this point lol

2018-05-09 02:13:01 UTC  

The American idea of liberal is skewed. When the word liberal is used in a historical or European context it means classical liberalism, which is what we might associate with conservatism in America

2018-05-09 02:13:28 UTC  

ah makes more sense

2018-05-09 02:13:45 UTC  

In that sense the Republican Party has always been and still is a liberal party

2018-05-09 02:14:06 UTC  

Well, for the most part. There's a lot of neo-conservative elements in the Party now

2018-05-09 02:14:17 UTC  

so the Democrats are conservative

2018-05-09 02:15:34 UTC  

The Democrats were conservative at one point, and in the old school sense of the word too. Now they're better described as "progressive" even though that word has been transformed from its original context too

2018-05-09 02:15:34 UTC  

that's a long paragraph to say "yes"

2018-05-09 02:15:50 UTC  

progressive

2018-05-09 02:16:51 UTC  

so the Republicans were the union

2018-05-09 02:16:56 UTC  

and the Democrats were the confederacy

2018-05-09 02:17:00 UTC  

or no

2018-05-09 02:17:10 UTC  

Yes

2018-05-09 02:17:26 UTC  

***shit remove the rank***

2018-05-09 02:18:01 UTC  

wow it just got complicated af, its like I want to be conservative Republican, but its democrat

2018-05-09 02:18:06 UTC  

That was back when Democrats were undeniably the conservative party that represented agrarian interests and the Republicans represented more urban interests

2018-05-09 02:19:16 UTC  

It's just names really. There was a massive shift in the mid 20th century with all the Civil Rights stuff where the parties turned upside down on a lot of issues

2018-05-09 02:19:31 UTC  

well now I don't know rather to be conservative or liberal

2018-05-09 02:19:50 UTC  

Rofl, back at square 1

2018-05-09 02:20:05 UTC  

Got our asses backwards here

2018-05-09 02:20:21 UTC  

you know I don't really know what to say

2018-05-09 02:21:09 UTC  

guess I'm an old fashion Republican?

2018-05-09 02:21:47 UTC  

Or I could just call myself a Republican Libertarian

2018-05-09 02:22:02 UTC  

@Ben Garrison That fit?

2018-05-09 02:23:45 UTC  

Yeah, a lot of Republicans lean pretty heavily libertarian

2018-05-09 02:24:05 UTC  

still mean I could be a Civic Nationalist right