Message from @Ben Garrison
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wait shit came out wrong
common heritage and identity,
can you elaborate on that
That part varies from person to person. The two main flavors of nationalism as I like to think of it are ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism. Ethno-nationalist like myself believe that ethnicity plays a part in national identity, and therefore believe that a stable nation-state is a state composed almost entirely of only the nation. Civic nationalists, which most mainstream conservatives are especially in America, do not believe that ethnicity has much if any bearing on national identity. They see things as more of a cultural-political allegiance to the values and principles of whatever state the person resides in. The concept of the nation is therefore a much more individualistic idea that someone opts into by believing in the institutions and principles associated with the nation - in the case of America that would mean believing in democracy, the Constitution, civil liberties and the like. Both ethno-nationalism and civic nationalism consider a shared language important, but ethno-nationalists might put more emphasis on it.
Civic Nationalist don't sound bad
aslong as it isn't Democrat lol
Civic nationalism really takes shape during and immediately after the French Revolution and plays a large part in the French understanding of nationalism still to this day. Ethno-nationalism really starts to come into its own during the unification efforts of Germany and Italy throughout the 19th century (it's not strictly a National Socialist/Fascist concept, though these two ideologies were heavily influenced by their past). If you were curious and wanted to read about those periods of history to get a better understanding
Civic Nationalism, I'm assuming that believes in heavy federal laws
where the federal government gets an ass ton of power
but maybe I'm wrong, my memory is a little hazy
Not necessarily
It could involve that but a strong central authority isn't inherent to civic nationalist thought
It says civic nationalism is based off liberalism
shit I'm a Democrat lol
although I guess Democrat and liberal aren't the same thing
I think the Republicans were once liberal
Hey didn't the Democrats originally believe in slavery
back then, every black guy was Republican. The Republicans were against slavery
@Ben Garrison I think I'm an old-fashion liberal, kind of like Alex Jones
Don't really know at this point lol
The American idea of liberal is skewed. When the word liberal is used in a historical or European context it means classical liberalism, which is what we might associate with conservatism in America
ah makes more sense
In that sense the Republican Party has always been and still is a liberal party
Well, for the most part. There's a lot of neo-conservative elements in the Party now
so the Democrats are conservative
The Democrats were conservative at one point, and in the old school sense of the word too. Now they're better described as "progressive" even though that word has been transformed from its original context too
that's a long paragraph to say "yes"
progressive
so the Republicans were the union
and the Democrats were the confederacy
or no
Yes
***shit remove the rank***
wow it just got complicated af, its like I want to be conservative Republican, but its democrat
That was back when Democrats were undeniably the conservative party that represented agrarian interests and the Republicans represented more urban interests
It's just names really. There was a massive shift in the mid 20th century with all the Civil Rights stuff where the parties turned upside down on a lot of issues
well now I don't know rather to be conservative or liberal
Rofl, back at square 1
Got our asses backwards here
you know I don't really know what to say
guess I'm an old fashion Republican?