Message from @Jasse

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2018-12-08 14:00:51 UTC  

Socialism doesn’t guarantee wages to rise anyways infact they fall in socialism

2018-12-08 14:05:11 UTC  

Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism

-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80%

-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
"

-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.

-Hitler Nationalised healthcare(expanded for all citizens), churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.

-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.

2018-12-08 14:05:37 UTC  

What you linked about privatisation is irrelevant since it was heavily controlled

2018-12-08 16:10:02 UTC  

Nazis want a mixed economy

2018-12-08 16:14:28 UTC  

No they don’t

2018-12-08 16:14:34 UTC  

They want a strongly state controlled economy

2018-12-08 16:14:38 UTC  

Nazis socialized aspects of their government and economy for people they considered citizens (guess who that was) + Nazis r bad = socialism is bad?!?!

2018-12-08 16:14:47 UTC  

Hence why the protectionist tariffs, strong regulation , price controls etc

2018-12-08 16:14:55 UTC  

nah wahx

2018-12-08 16:14:57 UTC  

I never said that

2018-12-08 16:15:00 UTC  

Read up boI

2018-12-08 16:15:10 UTC  

then what's your point

2018-12-08 16:15:16 UTC  

And nazism isn’t as bad as socialism if you want to look at casualties

2018-12-08 16:15:22 UTC  

I’m saying national socialism is a form of socialism

2018-12-08 16:15:58 UTC  

groundbreaking, keep up the good work

2018-12-08 17:26:56 UTC  

Would I be correct in saying that any state control of capitalism is socialism to you? @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Would you place ANY restrictions on capitalism?

2018-12-08 18:04:47 UTC  

@t r u e no because the free market is capitalism. Any interventionism in the market is socialist policies

2018-12-08 18:05:01 UTC  

Although it takes a certain amount of intervention to really become a 'socialist' country

2018-12-08 18:06:25 UTC  

Right, and real communism is stateless. Anyway, I was just curious

2018-12-08 18:08:12 UTC  

ye

2018-12-08 18:18:34 UTC  

*some smarter person would call it planed economy not socialism*

2018-12-08 18:18:57 UTC  

nah socialism is aight

2018-12-08 18:18:59 UTC  

sounds better

2018-12-08 18:20:16 UTC  

14/88

2018-12-08 18:20:20 UTC  

animal spirits

2018-12-08 18:20:26 UTC  

kill

2018-12-08 18:20:27 UTC  

all

2018-12-08 18:20:29 UTC  

ni

2018-12-08 18:20:30 UTC  

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2018-12-08 18:20:30 UTC  

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2018-12-08 18:20:31 UTC  

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2018-12-08 18:20:38 UTC  

i quess making own definitions is fun...
it just makes debating complicated.

2018-12-08 18:20:39 UTC  

kill all niggies

2018-12-08 18:20:42 UTC  

there we go

2018-12-08 18:20:46 UTC  

kill all niggies and jews

2018-12-08 18:20:51 UTC  

I didn't make anything up

2018-12-08 18:20:52 UTC  

;-;

2018-12-08 18:21:03 UTC  

fuck a debate lets smash some commie skulls

2018-12-08 18:21:06 UTC  

yea

2018-12-08 18:23:51 UTC  

@Jasse don't believe national socialism is a form of socialism?

2018-12-08 18:27:37 UTC  

i quess it depends on your definiton of socialism🤔

but yes all wealth transfers are form of socialism in the sens.