Message from @BeatleJuice

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2018-12-08 21:21:37 UTC  

and the companies would compete for labour

2018-12-08 21:21:50 UTC  

nobody would work for third world wages

2018-12-08 21:21:55 UTC  

Singapore has no minimum wage I believe

2018-12-08 21:22:02 UTC  

even low-paid workers in capitalist countries on minimum wage or even below that would still be wealtheir than most of the world's population

2018-12-08 21:22:13 UTC  

and tbh, not very many minorities put in.. yet they receive

2018-12-08 21:22:25 UTC  

if companies were paying too little nobody would accept and other companies would pay more to attract workers

2018-12-08 21:22:28 UTC  

thats what henry ford did

2018-12-08 21:22:30 UTC  

Either way you are being exploited if you are a worker no matter how high your wages may be

2018-12-08 21:22:39 UTC  

No you're not

2018-12-08 21:22:40 UTC  

you're being paid

2018-12-08 21:22:41 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ a third world equilibrium, capitalists would seek to keep it as low as possible and states would be forces to lower wages to get the jobs, competing with each other in a race to the bottom. Exactly what I said at the beginning.

2018-12-08 21:22:43 UTC  

for your labour

2018-12-08 21:22:43 UTC  

easy

2018-12-08 21:22:47 UTC  

nah not really, this whole explotiation or workers thing doesnt really make sense

2018-12-08 21:22:48 UTC  
2018-12-08 21:22:50 UTC  

You never get the full product of your labor

2018-12-08 21:23:02 UTC  

they would reach a wage the market equilibrium would have

2018-12-08 21:23:08 UTC  

@DaddyCewlSterTube its determined by supply and demand, it cant be a race to the bottom, there is an equilibrium

2018-12-08 21:23:13 UTC  

yeah you do because you get paid

2018-12-08 21:23:15 UTC  

simplo

2018-12-08 21:23:18 UTC  

what are you even working for? continual debt?

2018-12-08 21:23:18 UTC  

The surplus value is extracted and your product is sold for profit

2018-12-08 21:23:23 UTC  

i sound like a nazi.. lemme stop

2018-12-08 21:23:26 UTC  

yes

2018-12-08 21:23:30 UTC  

profit is not a problem

2018-12-08 21:23:32 UTC  

ok, what is this marxist crap,

2018-12-08 21:23:32 UTC  

profit is great

2018-12-08 21:23:34 UTC  

it is

2018-12-08 21:23:36 UTC  

The full value is never gained

2018-12-08 21:23:38 UTC  

workers cant be paid the same price as the good that is sold

2018-12-08 21:23:40 UTC  

"global market equilibrium" = /= what is fair or best for the nation

2018-12-08 21:23:42 UTC  

talking economics with socialists is aids

2018-12-08 21:23:51 UTC  

@t r u e yes the market fairs best for everyone

2018-12-08 21:23:53 UTC  

because we have to pay interest, dividends, rents and pay other workers who worked for the same product

2018-12-08 21:24:01 UTC  

there are other factors of production that aren't labour

2018-12-08 21:24:03 UTC  

Capitalism isn't morally acceptable

2018-12-08 21:24:09 UTC  

seems acceptable to me

2018-12-08 21:24:17 UTC  

this is useless, willful idiots

2018-12-08 21:24:25 UTC  

Keeping and reducing the poverty rate is better than having a shit quality of life and starvation

2018-12-08 21:24:27 UTC  

You can never truly keep the full value of your labour under capitalism

2018-12-08 21:24:27 UTC  

we are paying the workers a price they have accepted and a similar price workers for the same job are getting paid, which actually is quite high in western nations