Message from @BeatleJuice

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2018-12-08 21:32:40 UTC  

has there ever been a famine like the Holodomor in the US?

2018-12-08 21:34:13 UTC  

This is the response of  Anna Louise Strong, an American journalist famous for reporting on the Soviet Union, to a question about the supposed genocide.

QUESTION: "Is it true that during 1932-33 several million people were allowed to starve to death in the Ukraine and North Caucasus because they were politically hostile to the Soviets?"

ANSWER: "Not true. I visited several places in those regions during that period. There was a serious grain shortage in the 1932 harvest due chiefly to inefficiencies of the organizational period of the new large-scale mechanized farming among peasants unaccustomed to machines. To this was added sabotage by dispossessed kulaks, the leaving of the farms by 11 million workers who went to new industries, the cumulative effect of the world crisis in depressing the value of Soviet farm exports, and a drought in five basic grain regions in 1931.

The harvest of 1932 was better than that of 1931 but was not all gathered; on account of overoptimistic promises from rural districts, Moscow discovered the actual situation only in December when a considerable amount of grain was under snow."

Strong, Anna Louise. Searching Out the Soviets. New Republic: August 7, 1935, p. 356

Here is Strong again on the harvest of 1933.

"The conquest of bread was achieved that summer, a victory snatched from a great disaster. The 1933 harvest surpassed that of 1930, which till then had held the record. This time, the new record was made not by a burst of half-organized enthusiasm, but by growing efficiency and permanent organization … This nationwide cooperation beat the 1934 drought, securing a total crop for the USSR equal to the all-time high of 1933."

Strong, Anna Louise. The Stalin Era. New York: Mainstream, 1956, p. 44-45

2018-12-08 21:34:47 UTC  

so did the holodomor happen or not according to you?

2018-12-08 21:34:54 UTC  

It did

2018-12-08 21:34:58 UTC  

Obviously

2018-12-08 21:35:14 UTC  

But the perpetrator was obviously not Stalin

2018-12-08 21:35:23 UTC  

lemme guess it was the kulaks

2018-12-08 21:35:28 UTC  

As can be seen with the source above

2018-12-08 21:35:37 UTC  

lol

2018-12-08 21:35:38 UTC  

IIRC, Anna Louise Strong is hardly unbiased

2018-12-08 21:35:41 UTC  

Also, quit trying to strawman

2018-12-08 21:35:53 UTC  

what strawman is there cmon?

2018-12-08 21:36:01 UTC  

"lemme guess it was the kulaks"

2018-12-08 21:36:07 UTC  

do you think it was or wasnt?

2018-12-08 21:36:07 UTC  

You was about to set one up

2018-12-08 21:36:13 UTC  

you was

2018-12-08 21:36:16 UTC  

why do you think it happened?

2018-12-08 21:36:22 UTC  

I obviously just said I did

2018-12-08 21:36:32 UTC  

Learn to read illiterate negro

2018-12-08 21:36:34 UTC  

so you think it was the kulaks

2018-12-08 21:36:35 UTC  

you is bout to set one up

2018-12-08 21:36:50 UTC  

look at your solecism... you call him illiterate you cant even fucking speak proper

2018-12-08 21:36:56 UTC  

anyway we're getting into ad hominems here and i havent even insulted anyone

2018-12-08 21:37:09 UTC  

Anna Louise Strong was a communist, I don't think she was unbiased

2018-12-08 21:37:14 UTC  

I'm not originally English.

2018-12-08 21:37:20 UTC  

neither am i

2018-12-08 21:37:46 UTC  

nor am I

2018-12-08 21:37:49 UTC  

lmfao

2018-12-08 21:37:51 UTC  

@t r u e how is that an argument when every source is biased

2018-12-08 21:37:52 UTC  

this doesnt even matter

2018-12-08 21:38:01 UTC  

it does.. its so important

2018-12-08 21:38:10 UTC  

being english or whatever doesnt matter

2018-12-08 21:38:11 UTC  

what does matter tho

2018-12-08 21:38:13 UTC  

Every source on Earth has bias

2018-12-08 21:38:29 UTC  

It's unavoidable human nature

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2018-12-08 21:39:09 UTC  

Fraud, Famine and Fascism by Douglas Tottle

This book is full of excellent historical and first hand accounts debunking the so called “holodomor” also the book talks about how the massive amount propaganda has been launched against the USSR.
http://www.garethjones.org/tottlefraud.pdf

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2018-12-08 21:39:22 UTC  

the rise of the soviet union... the anti christs return

2018-12-08 21:39:27 UTC  

same shit

2018-12-08 21:39:33 UTC  

Stfu christcuck

2018-12-08 21:39:42 UTC  

yeah im not a christ cuck lmao

2018-12-08 21:39:44 UTC  

@Deleted User Well, the argument is then that one can cite no sources? WE would have to look at whatever could be confirmed using the totality of evidence rather than a person's words. I'm just saying she is no more trustworthy than another and should not be taken at face value.