Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)

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2019-01-03 02:26:03 UTC  

There are many women who go into those fields; however, I think there’s still some societal attitudes (gender roles and all) that may discourage other women from exploring them. And women don’t really have a reproductive duty more than adults / parents in general have a family duty. It takes two, after all.
For your second part, you seem to contradict yourself - you say that women are bad at negotiating salaries and ultimately end up working for less than they deserve (which would mean they do deserve higher pay based on the work they do), but also that men get paid more simply because they work harder and better than women do (implying that women are being paid what they deserve). Which is it?
Lastly, i can’t help but notice that you cite traditional gender roles as support for traditional gender roles, in that the societal trend of keeping women at home (who would possibly be better off doing other things) causes women to work less, which you interpret as a sign that women naturally belong at home. In addition, I could create the hypothetical counterpoint of saying that if wives had *husbands* at home, then *they* could be the ones to work longer and harder at their jobs. Either one is just a reflection of whatever happens to be the gender employment ratio, not any underlying biological differences.

2019-01-03 02:27:47 UTC  

Which is it? It is both. There are many factors that exist simultaneously.

2019-01-03 02:28:19 UTC  

True. The question is, are those causes or effects.

2019-01-03 02:28:30 UTC  

and the biological differences between men and women *do* support traditional gender roles

2019-01-03 02:28:49 UTC  

it makes a lot more sense for the one who is 8 months pregnant to not have to go out and work

2019-01-03 02:29:20 UTC  

and I don't know what you mean by "are those causes or effects"

2019-01-03 02:29:59 UTC  

oh, you're pulling a "women would do all the high power jobs if society let them" meme

2019-01-03 02:31:23 UTC  

I would also not want a woman who is 8 months pregnant to have to go work

2019-01-03 02:31:38 UTC  

Do you support parental leave

2019-01-03 02:32:14 UTC  

You mean federally mandated parental leave? No.

2019-01-03 02:32:53 UTC  

Also, that’s not what I am trying to pull - I’m saying that women are somewhat more disproportionately excluded from high-level jobs than the sheer talent differential and work ethic provides for

2019-01-03 02:33:21 UTC  

Have you ever worked for a company and met your executives

2019-01-03 02:33:50 UTC  

would you want your employer to give your family parental leave?

2019-01-03 02:34:04 UTC  

like 75% of the c-suites I have met have been men over 6 feet tall

2019-01-03 02:34:13 UTC  

ouch

2019-01-03 02:34:15 UTC  

and the other 25% were men with foul tempers

2019-01-03 02:34:26 UTC  

it takes an imposing presence to control an organization

2019-01-03 02:34:33 UTC  

That’s 100% men

2019-01-03 02:34:42 UTC  

women cannot be imposing

2019-01-03 02:34:55 UTC  

it is very rare for a woman to be capable of leading effectively

2019-01-03 02:35:15 UTC  

I would disagree that it’s very rare

2019-01-03 02:35:18 UTC  

they are short and weak

2019-01-03 02:35:29 UTC  

they do not create respect

2019-01-03 02:35:43 UTC  

not in the leadership kind of way at least

2019-01-03 02:35:55 UTC  

Angela Merkel and Theresa May deserve at least some credit, I think

2019-01-03 02:36:06 UTC  

Although they are different types of jobs

2019-01-03 02:36:17 UTC  

Merkel is childless and is destroying her country

2019-01-03 02:36:27 UTC  

What’s your opinion on Thatcher

2019-01-03 02:36:50 UTC  

I don't care to have a strong opinion on most politicians

2019-01-03 02:36:59 UTC  

I see

2019-01-03 02:37:06 UTC  

some women throughout history have existed who can lead effectively

2019-01-03 02:37:21 UTC  

Yes

2019-01-03 02:37:47 UTC  

they are rare, but Joan of Arc and Queen Boudica in Britain come to mind

2019-01-03 02:38:21 UTC  

they are anomalies and they achieve their leadership role by acting like men

2019-01-03 02:38:25 UTC  

My opinion is that there are cultural biases that prevent women from achieving the same level success they could if it were absent (not that they are biologically the same at everything)

2019-01-03 02:38:49 UTC  

most cultural biases exist to reinforce biological biases

2019-01-03 02:38:57 UTC  

theya re not as flawed as you think

2019-01-03 02:39:36 UTC  

Yet there are flaws

2019-01-03 02:39:59 UTC  

they are minor, you liberals are throwing the baby out with the bathwater in this war on tradition

2019-01-03 02:40:23 UTC  

Society would be more successful as a whole if everyone were able to achieve their potential without being impeded by cultural biases

2019-01-03 02:40:27 UTC  

Well