Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)
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Sorry for sounding like a preteen libtard.
Don't worry about it bud
Listen, there are defiitely some girls who would be good at this stuff and would never pursue it unless encouraged. But as long as there is the freedom for women to pursue high power careers, most who are capable and into that kind of lifestyle will go for it without being told to. Yeah women who can have a high power career and fulfil their reproductive duty are very rare.
As far as equal pay for equal work, that is actually a 100% bullshit project and most corporate sponsors of that effort do not pay women equal wages themselves. The "wage gap" is the result of horribly mangled statistics, with the 76% number or whatever it is now being derived from the mean income of all working men and that of all working women. Men take up higher paying careers and are much better at negotiating salaries *and* often have a wife at home allowing them to work longer and better. Not to mention that a larger proportion of working women are employed only part-time. It really is just bs all the way through.
There are many women who go into those fields; however, I think there’s still some societal attitudes (gender roles and all) that may discourage other women from exploring them. And women don’t really have a reproductive duty more than adults / parents in general have a family duty. It takes two, after all.
For your second part, you seem to contradict yourself - you say that women are bad at negotiating salaries and ultimately end up working for less than they deserve (which would mean they do deserve higher pay based on the work they do), but also that men get paid more simply because they work harder and better than women do (implying that women are being paid what they deserve). Which is it?
Lastly, i can’t help but notice that you cite traditional gender roles as support for traditional gender roles, in that the societal trend of keeping women at home (who would possibly be better off doing other things) causes women to work less, which you interpret as a sign that women naturally belong at home. In addition, I could create the hypothetical counterpoint of saying that if wives had *husbands* at home, then *they* could be the ones to work longer and harder at their jobs. Either one is just a reflection of whatever happens to be the gender employment ratio, not any underlying biological differences.
Which is it? It is both. There are many factors that exist simultaneously.
True. The question is, are those causes or effects.
and the biological differences between men and women *do* support traditional gender roles
it makes a lot more sense for the one who is 8 months pregnant to not have to go out and work
and I don't know what you mean by "are those causes or effects"
oh, you're pulling a "women would do all the high power jobs if society let them" meme
I would also not want a woman who is 8 months pregnant to have to go work
Do you support parental leave
You mean federally mandated parental leave? No.
Also, that’s not what I am trying to pull - I’m saying that women are somewhat more disproportionately excluded from high-level jobs than the sheer talent differential and work ethic provides for
Have you ever worked for a company and met your executives
would you want your employer to give your family parental leave?
like 75% of the c-suites I have met have been men over 6 feet tall
ouch
and the other 25% were men with foul tempers
it takes an imposing presence to control an organization
women cannot be imposing
it is very rare for a woman to be capable of leading effectively
I would disagree that it’s very rare
they are short and weak
they do not create respect
not in the leadership kind of way at least
Angela Merkel and Theresa May deserve at least some credit, I think
Although they are different types of jobs
Merkel is childless and is destroying her country
What’s your opinion on Thatcher
I don't care to have a strong opinion on most politicians
I see
some women throughout history have existed who can lead effectively
Yes
they are rare, but Joan of Arc and Queen Boudica in Britain come to mind
they are anomalies and they achieve their leadership role by acting like men
My opinion is that there are cultural biases that prevent women from achieving the same level success they could if it were absent (not that they are biologically the same at everything)
most cultural biases exist to reinforce biological biases
theya re not as flawed as you think
Yet there are flaws