Message from @Ben Garrison
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So like when you go up and give your speech to the Whites of Merica, you'll say "I don't care about your happiness, this is about my feelings not yours."
Ok the former, got it.
Why won't you address this then?
Are Ethnostates happier? What is the value in their existence?
I have already answered that question, you are arguing in bad faith. Unless you can point out what sentence made you think I no longer wanted to talk about ethnostates then we’re done here
You said vague statements like "unity" and "A homeland" but none of that covers if the people are actually happy.
Please point out the sentence that made you think I no longer wished to discuss ethnostates.
You derailed to call me a Jew. That's the biggest insult you have really.
Since Nazi really don't seem to like Jews.
I have explained why, and you still have not answered that directly either. You accused me of not wishing to discuss ethnostates after I said that the happiness factor is tangential to the political philosophy of ethnostates.
Why won't you discuss it though. To me it seemed like a huge forced derail.
Discuss it being happiness?
Discuss Happiness
I didn’t discuss it because it had nothing to do with the legitimacy of ethnostates, which is what we were talking about
Well at least that’s what was being typed. I can’t speak for the separate conversation in your head
Like we've spent a ton of time asking "is the Ethnostate practical/possible?"
But what is more important is "What value does an Ethnostate provide to it's citizens?" And you can't seem to justify its cost.
Like imagine I said "I think we should turn all boys Trans, it is possible with modern technology."
I did though. The stability and unity that comes with having a homogeneous population. Happiness can come from that but it isn’t the cornerstone principle regarding ethnostates.
Nor is it necessarily the goal.
So the values are Stability and Unity?
Unity mostly, stability follows from it
Okay so we have to do a cost analysis against other options.
Only if your primary values are material.
If they aren’t, no cost is too great.
Well not if you starve to death in the process.
You'll never finish the work then.
Then there’s no nation to exist. It’s a self defeating situation that need not be considered
If you give away all of America's money and destroy our economy in the process it could happen.
Do you think fiat currency is integral to the agricultural production of this nation or that nonwhites own even close to a majority of this nations wealth?
There are three costs to be concerned with the Material, the Cultural, and the Spiritual.
The material costs will be immense, there’s no debate there. The cultural and spiritual stands to benefit.
Well there is a debate over if it is a sin or not.
Deportation?
Forced deportation, collection of assets, and the executions.
That's at least two of the 10 commandments.
I never said they should have their assets confiscated without proper compensation or that they should be executed though. Examining forced deportation in the context of them having fair financial treatment during the transition I don’t think it could be argued that it’s a sin.
Perhaps not within the proper “Christian spirit” but not a sin
Are they all going to leave willingly?
For many, no