***quickscopes Karl Marx***

Its human nature to take from the weak to benefit your own tribe

do you think communism is greedy?

On paper no, the people in charge in reality yes because human nature

Ironically, human nature is the biggest flaw of capitalism. Capitalism is extremely better than anything else, but even it needs some regulation or else greed will destroy the society.

Communism doesn't take in to account that people are inherently lazy

@Boethiah you just contradicted yourself, you just said communism is greedy but human nature greedy so communism must work then

lmao

and i already talked about how the USSR was good in <#441728840025374731> but i gtg soon

No I didn't? I said the people in charge are greedy because they're human and therefore susceptible to human nature. Like I said communism looks fine on paper.

Then again infinite food water and magical cure-alls look good on paper, doesn't make them reality.

***quickscopes USSR***

"the people in charge were greedy and human nature is greedy so capitalism must work because its greedy yet communism is greedy somehow"

@Boethiah have you ever heard of post-scarcity before

of course its not infinite

but i gtg soon

so hurry up

Capitalism regulates the greed better because the ruling class doesn't have an iron grip on every aspect of their citizens life. It's not perfect but I can buy food and games, can Venezuelans say the same?

Venezuala is capitalist

i already went through this

lol "not real communism" oh boy here we go

70% of Venezuela's economy is part of the private sector. it's capitalist.

**state regulations =/= socialism**

Breaking news! Socialist leaders aren't socialist, more at 11!

The USSR was socialist because the workers owned the means of production through workers councils. Does Venezuela have this? **no**

What would you call the Venezuelan system, heavy handed state capitalism?

That's why the USSR is alive and thriving today and everyone is trying to migrate to it because socialism is amazing right?

@Ben Garrison it's just normal capitalism.

It’s very clearly not “normal capitalism” as 9/10 people associate capitalism with laissez-faire policies.

@Boethiah Gorbachev abolished the USSR and implemented capitalist reforms

also during 1990 referendum around 76% of the USSR populations voted to keep the USSR

but it was abolished anyways

@Ben Garrison according to your logic, the USA isn't capitalist

A lot of people do argue that it’s lost a lot of its “true capitalist” touch. I’m not saying Venezuela or the United States aren’t capitalist, all I’m saying is that you can’t call Venezuela something like “normal capitalism” whatever that means

@Ben Garrison is the USA capitalist?

don't give the "it's not capitalist, it's corporatist" excuse

Yes. Not totally laissez-faire though, and I’d never use the phrase normal capitalist since most people would associate that with laissez-faire policy

It’s not corporatist though, who would say that lmao

@Ben Garrison most ancaps would

Ancaps are special people

lol