Hello

So all you guys here are Trump supporters?

It doesn't bother you that you guys support a criminal?

I hate Hillary but that's irrelevant

As for his crimes, sure he's not accused of any yet, but collusion with Russia is looking more likely by the day.

We don't know that. The investigation is on going

The ignorance is real

You are right, I was wrong to call him a criminal now, but in a few months I'm certain he will be accused.

The evidence is there

So I have a question. Let's say Trump is convicted by the investigation, and the evidence is extremely credible. Would you still continue to support him?

I agree. Quite personally, I support alot of what Trump says, but I'm almost sure he's going to be convicted.

You guys realize there have already been dozens of indictments, clear money trails, and Russian infiltrators in the RNC, along with much more evidence.

There is more evidence of wrong doing here than in any Clinton investigation, and I think Clinton was guilty, so I'm certain something happened here.

Lol, 'collide'

But I will agree, Trump has been good for the country mostly and he is much better Clinton. His message will live on. And I was commenting on you misspelling it. 'collude, not collide' lol.

Perhaps it doesn't make much sense from Trump's perspective to collude, but look at it from Putin's perspective. If they can hold massive black mail over him, they can basically have in roads to American secrets.

And hey, from Trump's perspective, Russia helped him in the election, so that's something that makes sense to him.

Of course

Don't worry, I stay away from the crazy Rachel Maddow stuff. There's alot there without going to dumb liberal conspiracy.

Good, me too

I think it is more than black mail, promised business deals and the like

Well, the evidence points to Russia having something over Trump in some way. I, of course, can only speculate on what it is. And don't underestimate the power of greed in a person like Trump.

Oh yea, he spammed me too

^

could be

You guys really need a centrist tag

I call myself a centrist

yes there is

I seriously have beliefs from both sides

almost equally

other way around, kind of

no tax on low income and low middle class, high tax on the top one percent. and I'm prolife

that's insane

I'd say 30% on the top one percent is reasonable. And the rich are not going to run out of money lmfao

(face palm)

not always

have you guys taken college level economics?

there are situations where leaving the economy to its own devices doesn't work.

Classical economics failed

The top tenth of a percent can afford to pay a little bit in taxes instead of buying another summer house.

You can't be so naive

You are not wrong theoretically.

France is extreme

they are not quite in ruins lol

All of Scandinavia.

Alright, you guys are getting my full tax speech, stand by.

So, economics is clear: taxing normally is not good for the economy. You just take money out of the market, and more often than not it doesn't do enough good to overcome the opportunity cost of that loss. However, there is a difference between theory in practice. The rich don't always use their money to help the economy. More often than not they just sit on it and buy more for themselves. It becomes necessary, therefore, for the government to tax them a little, to use the money the way the rich should use it on their own. Also, some social services are needed in every nation and need funding. The rich can sacrifice a seventh house to help out people. So, my ideal tax system is for no taxes on poor and middle class, decent taxes on the rich, and low taxes on corporations and businesses.

Because its not like we make them poor as rats for being rich lmao.

they are still incredibly well off.

Tim Cook yearly income: $10.3 million. 30% tax takes $3 million roughly. Leaves the poor guy with 7 million a year. So poor.

Most of the rich, including Trump, just inherited it from daddy

they probably inherited it too lol

but I'm not saying we take it away

No where did I say wealth needs to be destroyed. They get to stay very rich no matter how they made it.

Trump had a million

I didn't say he didn't work hard

And no where did I say the rich don't deserve their money

I'm not saying anything like 70% tax lmfao, 25-30% hardly leaves a dent in their wealth.

Ah, the loopholes are the killer

they put their money offshore and don't pay any tax on it

the Cayman Islands is a charity?

Loopholes is the main issue yes

We don't have to increase them that much, if at all. I'm not an expert on the current supply and demand here, so I can't put out exact percentages.

Ironically, human nature is the biggest flaw of capitalism. Capitalism is extremely better than anything else, but even it needs some regulation or else greed will destroy the society.

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