Message from @earlten1511
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15 people went to a consulate with a bone saw and murdered someone. We don’t know that 100% but we have brains and we can figure it out
It could have been Turkey
Maybe. Probably not
We need more evidence
You can’t make blind assumptions
Because 15 Turkish people didn’t go to a consulate with a bone saw
I’m not
This is not a court case
Far from blind
Right so the presumption of innocence is nonexistent
No it is because we need more investigation than a court case
I agree with that
But with the evidence we have
And if you truly believe in presumption of innocence, you will support it now
They did it
I just said I don’t for things that aren’t court cases
Do you believe in presumption of innocence?
For American courts yes
So presumption of guilt you believe in?
No
It’s not binary
Do you believe 100% Saudi Arabia did this? No questioning?
For international matters I believe in neither presumption of innocence or guilt
Nope
Nope to 100
Yes to questioning
Ok so I think we both agree. Investigate it extremely carefully
But you would have to be a fool to not suspect them and impose sanctions until they give us more evidence
But they are our ally
Who murdered a journalist
(Most likely)
Not confirmed
Ok but cmon
And what if they didn’t?
95% chance
Then their story would be different
Then that would be extremely unfair
Conservatives believe in trial by evidence and facts. Liberals say if you are smiling you are guilty.
Like children on a playground.
Ridiculous and reductive