We don’t know they did it

15 people went to a consulate with a bone saw and murdered someone. We don’t know that 100% but we have brains and we can figure it out

It could have been Turkey

Maybe. Probably not

We need more evidence

You can’t make blind assumptions

Because 15 Turkish people didn’t go to a consulate with a bone saw

I’m not

This is not a court case

Far from blind

Right so the presumption of innocence is nonexistent

No it is because we need more investigation than a court case

I agree with that

But with the evidence we have

And if you truly believe in presumption of innocence, you will support it now

They did it

I just said I don’t for things that aren’t court cases

Do you believe in presumption of innocence?

For American courts yes

So presumption of guilt you believe in?

No

For international matters?

It’s not binary

Do you believe 100% Saudi Arabia did this? No questioning?

For international matters I believe in neither presumption of innocence or guilt

Nope

Nope to 100

Yes to questioning

Ok so I think we both agree. Investigate it extremely carefully

But you would have to be a fool to not suspect them and impose sanctions until they give us more evidence

But they are our ally

Who murdered a journalist

(Most likely)

Not confirmed

Ok but cmon

And what if they didn’t?

95% chance

Then their story would be different

Then that would be extremely unfair

Conservatives believe in trial by evidence and facts. Liberals say if you are smiling you are guilty.

Like children on a playground.