Message from @bandit
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and natural selection is not egalitarian
Yeah
not 50,000 years ago
they pushed back the timeline a lot
I think the best way to look at these sort of this is from a completely objective scientific point of view, as to avoid the constant claims of "racism" watering them down.
"Scientists on Thursday announced the discovery of a fossilized human jawbone in a collapsed cave in Israel that they said is between 177,000 and 194,000 years old."
Sadly people tend to not even attempt to be objective to these topics
humans have been in separate environments for ~180,000 years with little to no gene flow between groups
Subspecies have evolved in far less time in other animals
Asiatic Cheetah became a distinct subspecies from African Cheetahs in 30,000 years
let me link
Divergence time estimates from mitochondrial and nuclear data place the split between Asiatic and Southern African cheetahs (Acinonyx jubatus jubatus) at 32 000–67 000 ya using an average mammalian microsatellite mutation rate and at 4700–44 000 ya
I mean, I don't think that this comparison is very valid. subspecies of insects can develop in just a couple of years, that doesn't mean that if we isolate two communities of humans for 10 years they will be two different subspecies
Their generation is 3 times faster,
not 1,000 times faster
Insects reproduce a lot faster though
I know
In all the studies which have compared frequency of SNPs associated with IQ by race
I'm saying that you can;'t say that if cheetas develop subspecies in 30,000 years, then it must be the same for humans
Africans always have a lower frequency of "high IQ gene variants"
this isn't my opinion
it's a fact
and it speaks very poorly of the hypothesis
that the black white IQ gap
is 100% environmental in cause
However my opinion on these discussion is that it is pointless
Also that is quite the strawman, I don't think anyone is saying 100%
Yes they do.
Just that environment plays a big factor
But back to the point
I think that these discussion are very pointless
Especially in an environment like this
This just seems to be purely scientific, all we can really do is throw studies at eachother
Show me any study which does two things
1. Looks at SNPs which have been shown in GWAS to be related to IQ by race
2. Shows they're almost evenly distributed by race. I'll ignore anything as small as a 10% difference by race to be "noise"
If you show me any such study I will massively revise my position on race & IQ
And I don't think that contributes to anything
I would just leave this matter out of politics for now, and leave it in the purely scientific.
Ok, so actually showing that we have the same genetic capacities "doesn't contribute" to proving the exact such claim?
Well