Message from @bandit

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2018-10-26 19:33:50 UTC  

literally

2018-10-26 19:33:58 UTC  

over 180,000 years in a different environment

2018-10-26 19:34:02 UTC  

and natural selection is not egalitarian

2018-10-26 19:34:15 UTC  

Yeah

2018-10-26 19:34:18 UTC  

not 50,000 years ago

2018-10-26 19:34:23 UTC  

they pushed back the timeline a lot

2018-10-26 19:34:31 UTC  

I think the best way to look at these sort of this is from a completely objective scientific point of view, as to avoid the constant claims of "racism" watering them down.

2018-10-26 19:34:37 UTC  

"Scientists on Thursday announced the discovery of a fossilized human jawbone in a collapsed cave in Israel that they said is between 177,000 and 194,000 years old."

2018-10-26 19:34:51 UTC  

Sadly people tend to not even attempt to be objective to these topics

2018-10-26 19:34:52 UTC  

humans have been in separate environments for ~180,000 years with little to no gene flow between groups

2018-10-26 19:34:58 UTC  

Subspecies have evolved in far less time in other animals

2018-10-26 19:35:11 UTC  

Asiatic Cheetah became a distinct subspecies from African Cheetahs in 30,000 years

2018-10-26 19:35:14 UTC  

let me link

2018-10-26 19:36:09 UTC  

Divergence time estimates from mitochondrial and nuclear data place the split between Asiatic and Southern African cheetahs (Acinonyx jubatus jubatus) at 32 000–67 000 ya using an average mammalian microsatellite mutation rate and at 4700–44 000 ya

2018-10-26 19:36:11 UTC  

I mean, I don't think that this comparison is very valid. subspecies of insects can develop in just a couple of years, that doesn't mean that if we isolate two communities of humans for 10 years they will be two different subspecies

2018-10-26 19:36:26 UTC  

Their generation is 3 times faster,

2018-10-26 19:36:29 UTC  

not 1,000 times faster

2018-10-26 19:36:31 UTC  

Insects reproduce a lot faster though

2018-10-26 19:36:56 UTC  

I know

2018-10-26 19:37:23 UTC  

In all the studies which have compared frequency of SNPs associated with IQ by race

2018-10-26 19:37:28 UTC  

I'm saying that you can;'t say that if cheetas develop subspecies in 30,000 years, then it must be the same for humans

2018-10-26 19:37:35 UTC  

Africans always have a lower frequency of "high IQ gene variants"

2018-10-26 19:37:37 UTC  

this isn't my opinion

2018-10-26 19:37:38 UTC  

it's a fact

2018-10-26 19:37:44 UTC  

and it speaks very poorly of the hypothesis

2018-10-26 19:37:47 UTC  

that the black white IQ gap

2018-10-26 19:37:51 UTC  

is 100% environmental in cause

2018-10-26 19:37:51 UTC  

However my opinion on these discussion is that it is pointless

2018-10-26 19:38:17 UTC  

Also that is quite the strawman, I don't think anyone is saying 100%

2018-10-26 19:38:23 UTC  

Yes they do.

2018-10-26 19:38:25 UTC  

Just that environment plays a big factor

2018-10-26 19:38:29 UTC  

But back to the point

2018-10-26 19:38:38 UTC  

I think that these discussion are very pointless

2018-10-26 19:38:45 UTC  

Especially in an environment like this

2018-10-26 19:38:59 UTC  

This just seems to be purely scientific, all we can really do is throw studies at eachother

2018-10-26 19:39:11 UTC  

Show me any study which does two things
1. Looks at SNPs which have been shown in GWAS to be related to IQ by race
2. Shows they're almost evenly distributed by race. I'll ignore anything as small as a 10% difference by race to be "noise"

2018-10-26 19:39:28 UTC  

If you show me any such study I will massively revise my position on race & IQ

2018-10-26 19:39:35 UTC  

And I don't think that contributes to anything

2018-10-26 19:39:51 UTC  

I would just leave this matter out of politics for now, and leave it in the purely scientific.