Message from @bandit
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Succdem
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You do know that the abbreviation for social democracy is socdem right?
Yes
So obviously we must change it to **S U C C D E M**
Not really
Basically the entire apparatus of the government nowdays is just a bourgeois democracy
sort of yes
I'm also in favor of decentralizing and giving more power to the people
But do you believe in capitalism more or socialism more?
I mean, I don't think there is a middle ground
Either capitalism or socialism
So then I would say capitalism because I haven't seen a good application of socialism that has lasted long enough
Nah, not even sort of
I could only think of one idleogy which could find somewhat of a compromise
Socialism is the collective controlling the means of production
Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production
You can't have an inbetween
Market socialism is the eh
But no private property exists in market socialism lol
So it's still socialism
Yes, but in a free market and not a centrally planned one lol
Yeah but well I don't see that as something that matters bigly
Well that's what socialists find a problem though
I would think by the 50s and 60s we would have developed the technology necessary to develop central planning
And gradually phase out the market, if we transition to socialism in the near future.
This is the only lifetime for socialism to develop, we have no time left.
Maybe
If socialism would be demonstrated to work well on the long time I would imediatly abandon capitalist
It did work in the Soviet Union post Stalin to the late 70s.
It was all ruined by brezhnevs policies
Yuri andropov was the last hope of saving the Union.
Socialism is certainly feasible now with 21st century technology tbh.
I mean yeah, but it didn't work better then capitalism in western europe
It obviously lagged behind, comparing the Soviet Union to the west is like comparing apples to oranges
By the tide of the century the Russian empire was still agrarian and rural.
Whereas the German empire and the UK industrialised long ago.
Still, they caught up very fast, just 40 years after the Russian revolution they launched the first satellite into space.
I know
life expectancy even went down