Message from @Toro
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Do you think the Suebi came over the Rhine as an army? No. They came over as hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children.
Low roman birthrate and civic participation meant that the Germans were able to establish control very quickly with a rapid influx.
Sorry, I had to do something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt the two Goth groups, united by the poor treatment from Rome, fought against an unprepared Roman army
There were dozens of German tribes in Roman territory.
From my understanding, this proves my point of treating refugees' will compassion
"Treat refugees well or they will kill you and take your land"
I mean the political groups, sorry
The Roman government told the Germans to pay taxes and stop raiding their neighbors.
The Germans told them to fuck off. The Romans sent in the Legions
The Legions were majority Germanic by this time
Civil wars all over the place
It would be better to simply encourage the native birthrate and keep the barbarians out.
We don't have any obligation to put ourselves in the victim position in a hostage situation
The relationship between the Goths and the Romans was all over the place. Romans solders profited of supplies the roman government sent to help the refugees, that caused the two german political groups to fight the romans
>political groups
Ethnic groups.
The Goths were a nomadic horde. The horde contained the entirety of their ethnic group.
Why not just keep them out?
It was bad for Rome
No retard, Tervingi and the Greuthungi where the two goth political groups.
Wikipedia literally defines those two as tribes
Not a political group
They didn't have Young Tervingi college clubs
Why is Rome obligated to suck up to foreign guests or be destroyed?
Rome is only obligated to her citizens.
Let them handle their own business.
Outside of our borders.
We are under zero obligation to put ourselves into a hostage situation to be nice to someone or be killed.
Of course they have no obligation. This is where we fundamentally disagree, I'm compassionate and pitty others. You're more of a libertarian (from what i can tell)
I am not a libertarian.
You don't take a dangerous homeless man into your house with your family.
"I'm so nice! I'm glad I'm putting my entire family in danger for that sweet sweet virtue dopamine"
When you invite foreigners into your country you are threatening the future of your own children.
And their children
You fear-monger, my family members are the foreigners you're to scared to show compassion to
What happened to the Romans?
What did showing compassion get them
And it is no surprise you have no concern for my group's future, invader.
They didn't see the Goths as bothers and sisters, thats exactly why they fell
They let the Goths in