Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)

Discord ID: 533372020403208237


2019-01-11 19:42:13 UTC  

it was a regulation

2019-01-11 19:42:22 UTC  

if that was the case, many regulations wouldn't be enforced today

2019-01-11 19:42:32 UTC  

The state does not understand these risks

2019-01-11 19:42:49 UTC  

And even among institutions that were affected by the law and were obligated to issue these subprime mortgages, they took up many more subprime loans than they would have been forced to under the law.

2019-01-11 19:43:17 UTC  

Because they were rated

2019-01-11 19:43:19 UTC  

by regulators

2019-01-11 19:43:23 UTC  

There was alot behind this

2019-01-11 19:43:33 UTC  

So did investors not affected by the law, who acquired even more than they ever would have needed to even if they had been subjected to the regulations.

2019-01-11 19:43:48 UTC  

CRA ratings

2019-01-11 19:45:06 UTC  

There are three ways the CRA pushed these loans:
1. The Creation Of Artificial Demand For Low-Income Mortgages.
2. Threat of regulation
3. Distorted the mortgage market

2019-01-11 19:45:45 UTC  

Many smaller mortgage service companies hoped to be acquired by larger banks. Increasing their CRA lending made them more attractive take-over targets

2019-01-11 19:47:48 UTC  

But those points don’t really do a good job of explaining the huge boom in mortgage-backed securities, especially subprime ones, in the lead-up to the crisis that significantly outstripped the government-mandated demand for them.

2019-01-11 19:48:04 UTC  

Yes the boom was created by the CRA

2019-01-11 19:48:06 UTC  

which ended in a bust

2019-01-11 19:48:08 UTC  

as always

2019-01-11 19:48:24 UTC  

All the malinvestments of the economy were cleared in the bust

2019-01-11 19:48:57 UTC  

CRA required lax lending standards that spread to the rest of the mortgage market. That fueled the mortgage boom and bust.

2019-01-11 19:49:46 UTC  

Yet you agree that the majority of the boom was at least fueled by private, non-obligatory investment not influenced directly by government intervention?

2019-01-11 19:49:57 UTC  

they were influecned

2019-01-11 19:49:58 UTC  

big time

2019-01-11 19:49:59 UTC  

And that’s why I also argue for better lending standards.

2019-01-11 19:50:07 UTC  

If this regulation did NOT exist, this crisis would not have happened

2019-01-11 19:50:25 UTC  

Visitor well thats the case, banks would not have made these loans if it were not for the regulation

2019-01-11 19:50:32 UTC  

They already have good lending standards

2019-01-11 19:51:07 UTC  

I doubt it. MBSs were a new technology that would have made a splash in the investment field anyway, regardless of whether government intervention furthered its adoption.

2019-01-11 19:51:33 UTC  

I wouldn't

2019-01-11 19:51:40 UTC  

banks and investment firms would never have made these loans

2019-01-11 19:51:42 UTC  

100%

2019-01-11 19:51:55 UTC  

While banks go for profit, like any company

2019-01-11 19:52:02 UTC  

Yet they did make them even when they had no further obligation to do so

2019-01-11 19:52:04 UTC  

they have to make sensible decisions to make the profit

2019-01-11 19:52:09 UTC  

Because of the CRA

2019-01-11 19:52:30 UTC  

The CRA didn’t force them to take up anywhere near the level of dubious debt they did

2019-01-11 19:52:36 UTC  

Read above

2019-01-11 19:52:42 UTC  

CRA ratings existed

2019-01-11 19:52:50 UTC  

they were hard pressed by regulators aswell

2019-01-11 19:53:08 UTC  

It contributed to demand, sure, but the government building roads doesn’t create booms and busts in the pavement sector

2019-01-11 19:53:13 UTC  

The state effectively distorted the mortgage market due to it's central planning

2019-01-11 19:53:18 UTC  

Thats not a good comparison

2019-01-11 19:53:39 UTC  

What kind of comparison would you want instead?

2019-01-11 19:53:47 UTC  

None