Personal freedom is not relevant to economic freedom

I don't know why we got there

I'm saying any centrally planned economy is a form of socialism

while not being socialist

Because you say any instance of economic leftism is instantly a form of personal freedom restriction, and any form of freedom restriciton is socialism.

No never said that

I mean economic freedom

You do?

So you agree that feudalism is different from socialism?

I think what sideisnothere is trying to say is that feudalism is a form of authoritarianism

That is true.

I agree.

which gets confused with socialism because of countries in the past like USSR and nazi germany

who combined the two

And they both involve restrictions on unlimited freedom.

and the US to a certain extent as well

But socialism is collective management of the economy by the people, while feudalism is aristocratic management of the economy by the elite.

yeah but the first one isn't really possible on any real scale of people and thats where the control of the government comes in

Or, if socialism were ever carried out successfully.

Yeah

so i'd say both of you were right

Socialism is probably impossible to achieve except if there was a huge concerted effort by the people to cooperate, which given our current political atmosphere I find relatively unlikely.

He's right if what he was saying is that socialism and feudalism both represent restrictions on unregulated free-market capitalism.

i think he was talking about realistic socialism such as was implemented in countries and you were talking about the theoretical one as per the definition you gave

Most countries that tried to become or claimed to be socialist did end up as authoritarian countries ruled by a political elite, yes.

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No matter what socialism is immoral and ineffective

@Leo (BillNyeLand) yes

@hcaez no

Not authoritarianism

Hey @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

Socialism is planned-economy with the means or production owned by the state or workers. Feudalism is a planned economy

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@Colonel Sanders™

Why the FED is a socialist policy is because it’s central planning to control interest rates

And not leaving it up to the market forces