Message from @hcaez
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but a form
It's not a form.
It is
anything centrally planned is a root of socialism
It has aspects of a planned economy, sure, but not socialism in any form.
has it's roots*
No. We discussed this.
Not aspects, it is a planned economy
The individual lords have some personal freedom, which is why I didn't say it was fully centrally planned.
But it is mostly planned by the aristocracy.
Aristocracy is **not** equivalent to *the people*
Personal freedom is not relevant to economic freedom
I don't know why we got there
I'm saying any centrally planned economy is a form of socialism
while not being socialist
Because you say any instance of economic leftism is instantly a form of personal freedom restriction, and any form of freedom restriciton is socialism.
No never said that
I mean economic freedom
You do?
So you agree that feudalism is different from socialism?
That is true.
I agree.
which gets confused with socialism because of countries in the past like USSR and nazi germany
who combined the two
And they both involve restrictions on unlimited freedom.
and the US to a certain extent as well
But socialism is collective management of the economy by the people, while feudalism is aristocratic management of the economy by the elite.
yeah but the first one isn't really possible on any real scale of people and thats where the control of the government comes in
Or, if socialism were ever carried out successfully.
Yeah
so i'd say both of you were right
Socialism is probably impossible to achieve except if there was a huge concerted effort by the people to cooperate, which given our current political atmosphere I find relatively unlikely.
He's right if what he was saying is that socialism and feudalism both represent restrictions on unregulated free-market capitalism.
i think he was talking about realistic socialism such as was implemented in countries and you were talking about the theoretical one as per the definition you gave
Most countries that tried to become or claimed to be socialist did end up as authoritarian countries ruled by a political elite, yes.
I gtg
No matter what socialism is immoral and ineffective
@hcaez no
Not authoritarianism