Message from @An Elbow
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I have slandered nobody here. To even consider abortion when it is unnecessary is disgusting beyond comprehension! Because it fits the definition of murder (killing without just cause) and it is an unborn child!
the medical definition of a child doesn't apply here if we're playing semantics
so you're making a appeal to emotion
rather then basing it in facts.
"maximum security prisons can also protect people left behind so your argument is quite moot." True. I am not saying that there is no alternative. I am saying your understanding of the death penalty is broken.
an unborn child is a logical non sequiter
the death penalty is nothing but an 'easy way out' for criminals who've done awful things
Are you retarded?
Define child, if we are going to play this game
To be fair that's an arbitrary language delineation and topics like murder are pretty inherently emotional
exactly!
so nothing means anything?
no
i'm questioning the motive of using specific words to 'guide' the emotional debate
murder is unjustly killing a person. Therefore, abortion without medical cause is murder!
I am not using words for emotional impact, you are misreading my intentions
Also, you making this impersonal isn't helping
the problem is if you were to just outright ban abortion it would just make the practise illegal and start a black market. Also it goes against the principle of conservatism that is to stop the government intervening into the personal lives of people.
Murder is a massive violation. it IS personal!
also they already tried that in other nations
the problem is abortion is murder
they banned abortion, the pill, condoms etc and it hardly worked out in the long term.
So? The problem isn't the law
and in countries that banned abortion this is what happens instead:
and the risk of both the baby and mother dying is increased
which is two lives 🤔
so you support potentially killing twice as many people 🤔
People believe that before a certain point in pregnancy, the child is "not human" or "not living" so they are under the impression that this is not murder.
"so you support potentially killing twice as many people 🤔" No, not once have I said that
I never will
but if you support banning abortion
then it could end up in a scenario
that potentially kills twice as many people
Nope
yes
that's what unsafe abortions are like
are you seriously that retarded?
stop the ad hominems