@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 The death penalty is about protecting those left behind. It isn't a "way out" but "a safer way forward"

"maybe because i'm less interested in 'slandering' the opposing side and more interested in the 'debate' and 'logic' side of it.
it's more about being intellectually honest to me than just saying things that make the other side look 'bad'"

Are you high???

maximum security prisons can also protect people left behind so your argument is quite moot.

I have slandered nobody here. To even consider abortion when it is unnecessary is disgusting beyond comprehension! Because it fits the definition of murder (killing without just cause) and it is an unborn child!

the medical definition of a child doesn't apply here if we're playing semantics

so you're making a appeal to emotion

rather then basing it in facts.

"maximum security prisons can also protect people left behind so your argument is quite moot." True. I am not saying that there is no alternative. I am saying your understanding of the death penalty is broken.

an unborn child is a logical non sequiter

the death penalty is nothing but an 'easy way out' for criminals who've done awful things

Are you retarded?

Define child, if we are going to play this game

To be fair that's an arbitrary language delineation and topics like murder are pretty inherently emotional

exactly!

so nothing means anything?

no

i'm questioning the motive of using specific words to 'guide' the emotional debate

murder is unjustly killing a person. Therefore, abortion without medical cause is murder!

I am not using words for emotional impact, you are misreading my intentions

Also, you making this impersonal isn't helping

the problem is if you were to just outright ban abortion it would just make the practise illegal and start a black market. Also it goes against the principle of conservatism that is to stop the government intervening into the personal lives of people.

Murder is a massive violation. it IS personal!

also they already tried that in other nations

no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans

the problem is abortion is murder

they banned abortion, the pill, condoms etc and it hardly worked out in the long term.

So? The problem isn't the law

and in countries that banned abortion this is what happens instead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion

and the risk of both the baby and mother dying is increased

which is two lives 🤔

so you support potentially killing twice as many people 🤔

People believe that before a certain point in pregnancy, the child is "not human" or "not living" so they are under the impression that this is not murder.

"so you support potentially killing twice as many people 🤔" No, not once have I said that

I never will

but if you support banning abortion

then it could end up in a scenario

that potentially kills twice as many people

Nope

yes